New DNA layout advice needed

[jih]

I need layout advice for two new DNA bowling ball.

Following was advised previously based on right hand/14-15 MPH/275 RPM/60 degree AR and 65 AR/Synethic/Medium Oil/Speed dominant



Asymmetrical Layouts Sweetspot 80* Total 1:1.75 Ratio
Totally Strong.................... 25-5-35
Midlane ........................... 15-4.5-45
Benchmark ...................... 30-4.5-50
Long and Strong ............... 45-4.5-55
Control ........................... 30-4.5-70


NEW UPDATED INFO
What hand you bowl with Right hand
Speed (please specify if its on the monitor or at the foul line) 14-15 MPH
Rev Rate 275-300 RPM
Initial Axis Rotation 45-50 degree
Initial Axis Tilt 17 degree
What surface you want the ball for (wood or synthetic) Synthetic
What lane condition you are bowling on most of the time Medium oil 41 feet
Do you think you are speed or revolutions dominate? Speed dominant







My current arsenals are

Asym Hammer Obsession solid 25-5-35
Asym Swag Incredible Giant sanded Pearl 25-5-35
Asym Radical Trailbrazer Solid 45-5-55
Asym Hammer 3d-Offset 30-4.5-45
Sym Rotogrip Idol Cosmos 45-5-55
Sym Swag Hellfire 20-5-40
Asym Hammer Obsession Tour 50-5-45
Asym Hammer Obsession Tour Pearl 50-5-45
Asym Hammer Obsession Short Pin 90-2.5-45
Sym Hammer Ocean Vibe 45-5-55
Sym Brunswick True Motion Urethane 45-5-45

I want to add (2) DNA to my list. Which layout would you recommend?
1) Go with maximum flip 70-3.5-20 (from radical suggested layout) and Most Versatile 45-4-35
I thought speed dominant bowler should have lower val angle but all my recommended sweetspots have 35 to 70.
What effect would speed dominant bowler would have if the val angles around 20-35?

OR

2) One with totally strong layout 25-5-35 and another one with benchmark 30-4.5-50?

Which one would you recommend? My axis tilt is not that high anymore. It is around 17 degree range. My ball speed is around 14-15 and RPM 275-300.

Thank you in advance.

[EricHartwell]

How is your speed measured?

[jih]

I think they measure at back near pin deck. I am not 100% but it is based on monitor.

I recheck my axis tilt and axis rotation. I am less speed dominant than before.

[EricHartwell]

I got you basically matched these days.
You will find that higher Ratio layouts will be to your liking.

With the new stats your Sweetspot is 95* Totals and 1.25:1 Ratio
Benchmark 52-4-43

Ideas for the 2 DNA balls to be drilled...
70-4-50 ............. Long and Strong
50-4-70 ............. Control

[jih]

Thank you so much Eric!

[jih]

After using both DNA for a month, I need some advice.

With both DNA, I could not play outside where I usually like to play. Easily both of them would go Brooklyn side. So, I polished both of them to see if I can get more length on both of them. It didn't work. So I moved inside using 20-15 boards and the pin up would skid too far and never would come back. For pin up, I sand it back to 2,000 grit. My feeling is that DNA seems to skid a lot, way more than my expectation. Is it because of long and strong layout (70-4-50)? Pin down DNA (50-4-70) seems to go really long too. I haven't sand it yet but I think I might have to. I can't see that slower reaction to friction with 70 VAL angle at all. 50 or 70 seem very similar in my eyes. Even the drilling angles seem about the same too. I was hoping that with pin down control layout I would be able to play outside and inside. Maybe I need more time and practice to get used to.

The main reason why I got two DNA was, I would use pin up DNA and when the lane breaks down, I could use pin down DNA I want to say at similar line. But the problem is that I can't seem to find the line to play with pin up DNA. By the way, this is my first (7-4-50) Long and Strong layout. I had three bowling ball with 70-4-30 (all symmetric) Motiv Forge Fire, Lane 1 Lady Buzzsaw and Storm Drive. I didn't work for me because at that time I have higher axit tilt. Is it true that max flare layout is not good for high axis tilt player? Is low VAL angles not good for higher tilt player also?

I wanted to try different layouts but I might have to go back to normal 45-5-50 layout.

By the way Eric, can I get the rest of layout for me, like benchmark and totally strong too?

Thank you

[EricHartwell]

Sounds like you are dealing with a rather high ratio wet/dry lane condition.
Use of surface will help.

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ................. 545-5-30
Midlane ........................ 30-4.5-45
Benchmark .....................50-4-45
Long and Strong ...............70-4-45
Control ..........................50-4-65
low flare ........................70-2.25-45

Symmetrical Layouts
benchmark .................... xx-4-35
Control ........................ xx-4-55
low flare ...................... xx-5-35

[jih]

Hi Eric,

I am adding Emerge Hybrid to my arsenal. Which layout would you recommend?
I am doing well with DNA pin up (long and strong 70x4x50) but still struggling with Pin down DNA control layout (50x4x70).
I am hoping Emerge Hybrid and fill in for strong sharp category.
Can this ball use as benchmark? or use long and strong layout?

One more question about Forge Fire (70x4x30 layout). Which surface would you recommend for this bowling ball? I am using 1000 grit for both
pin up and pin down DNA bowling ball. I seem to have problem with low 30 degree val angle. The ball does not seem to hook at all. Some says it is rolling out and others said that it is not getting into a roll (I guess it means it is skidding too far?)

I would like to hear your opinion and suggestion.

Thank you

[EricHartwell]

Hi Eric,

I am adding Emerge Hybrid to my arsenal. Which layout would you recommend?
I am doing well with DNA pin up (long and strong 70x4x50) but still struggling with Pin down DNA control layout (50x4x70).
I am hoping Emerge Hybrid and fill in for strong sharp category. Totally Strong .... 45-5-30
Can this ball use as benchmark? or use long and strong layout?
Long and Strong would make it very similar to the DNA, Benchmarke will make it earlier with similar shap as well.
One more question about Forge Fire (70x4x30 layout). Which surface would you recommend for this bowling ball? I am using 1000 grit for both
pin up and pin down DNA bowling ball. I seem to have problem with low 30 degree val angle. The ball does not seem to hook at all. Some says it is rolling out and others said that it is not getting into a roll (I guess it means it is skidding too far?)
1000 grit is pretty aggressive.
It is probably burning up all your Tilt and Rotation early with nothing left on the backend.

I would like to hear your opinion and suggestion.

Thank you

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[jih]

Thank you so much! I am sure others feel as happy as I am for your honest and sincere response!

[jih]

Hi Eric,

I like my pin up DNA (70x4x50) with and without polish. However, with pin down (50x4x70), only time it good was when there was enough oil (fresh oil).
I am bowling in 3 different alleys. One fresh, one medium and one dry lane. I like fresh the best, medium and on dry lanes I am struggling.
With Emerge Hybrid (45x5x30), I seem to struggle in all lane conditions. I definitely can't play outside. I have so much trouble hitting 1-3 pocket. I tried 2000 sand, 1500 compound, 2000 polish and 4000 polish. I need some suggestions here.

I decided to get Perfect Mindset. I am thinking 50x4x45 (my benchmark). It comes with 3000 surface. Will Perfect Mindset be similar to Emerge Hybrid?
What should I expect compare to Emerge? I am hoping more length with little less back end similar to DNA pin up or Trail brazer solid (45x5x55).

1) I need little advice for Emerge Hybrid
2) I need layout suggestions for Perfect Mindset

Thank you!