Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Hello Eric,

Bowlers specs are:
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Speed: 16 at line
Rotation: 50-55
Tilt: 25
Rev: 250
PAP: 5x3/4
Match
Synthetic Lanes
THS and Sport shot (PBA Regional/West bowler)
1:1.5 Ratio? 80 Sweet Spot?
Thank You
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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You are on the right track
I got 85 Totals and 1:1.5 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ........... 32-5.5-33 Long Oil
Midlane .................. 20-5.5-45
Benchmark .............. 35-5-50 Medium oil
Long and Strong ......... 55-5-50
Control.................... 35-4.5-70 Short Oil

The Sport layouts for Higher Tilt bowlers end up right in the usable Range of the Basic arsenal.
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45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
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Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Hello Eric,
Forgot that you start with 95 on the Sweet Spot.
Could you recommend layouts for Symmetrical balls? 4" Pin-To-Pap for the high tilt to burn it off sooner?
And how do determine the amount of the Pin-To-Pap, up or down adjustment (.5, -.5 etc.) from Benchmark?

The bowler wants to drill a Harsh Reality, Attention Star, and VEBO at Long and Strong at 55x5x50. And a Physic at Totally Strong at 32x5.5x33. Are those good layouts for those balls?
Thank You, again!
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Why 3 balls with the same layout?
I would round out the arsenal rather than just playing the minimal difference in cores.

Physic ........................ Totally Strong
Harsh Reality ............... Benchmark oob surface
Attention Star .............. Control 4000 grit surface
VEBO ......................... Long and Strong oob surface

Symmetrical layouts...
Benchmark ................. xx-3-45
Control ..................... xx-4-75
low flare ................... xx-2-55
StorminSlee wrote: February 24th, 2024, 7:54 pm And how do determine the amount of the Pin-To-Pap, up or down adjustment (.5, -.5 etc.) from Benchmark?
With Symmetricals use a 3" Pin to PAP to burn off Tilt faster.
Symmetrical balls naturally burn Tilt faster than Asyms.

Figuring out how much to adjust...
There are many factors that can be considered.
How much do you want to change the flare?
What is the differential of the ball?
Higher Tilt bowler , Low Tilt bowler Medium Tilt ?
What kind of layout are you tuning in?
What kind of ball shape are you looking for?

I make 1/2" adjustments minimum for a noticeable change.
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Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Hello Eric,

Will pass this on to the bowler. He's going to his PSO this coming Monday.
Will let you know how it goes.
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Hi Eric,
Just wanted to thank you, the bowler (230 average in one league) finished 1st in senior all event for a tournament using the new layouts.
He has a ball that was drilled before your recommendations. A iQ Ruby, 60x3x30. Where would you place this ball in his arsenal as far as his Symmetrical layouts?

He has another ball to drill. Ocean Vibe. Would you drill this ball as an benchmark ball?
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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I'd call the 60-3-30 a skid snap layout for him.
With his PAP the Drilling Angle is more like 70*

The Symmetrical Benchmark is a good choice for the Vibe.
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Hi Eric,

This bowler likes skid/flip layouts. Please recommend skid/flip layouts for these 2 balls.
Dark Code and VEBO.

Also, can you recommend skid/flip layouts for these Urethane balls.
Storm IQ Tour 78U
Hammer Black Pearl
Hammer NU Blue

Thank you for all your help.
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
Location: Michigan

Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Sorry I am not going to recommend all skid snap layouts for all 5 of these balls.
For one reason you can't get skid snap reactions out of low differential urethane balls.

The best I can do is to recommend Benchmark layouts on the low differential urethanes...... xx-3-45

Dark code ................... 70-5.5-35
VEBO ......................... 60-5-45

I would not put the same layout on the Asyms, I purposely made them different.
Otherwise they would be too much alike.
Eric Hartwell

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Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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Eric,
A question about the recommendation to use 70* for his drilling angle for symmetrical balls. You mention something about his PAP.
Can you explain why? So, certain PAP numbers will or can change a drilling angle? I understand that drilling angles are really not used any more. I just normally use 60* by be consistent from ball to ball. Just want to learn.
Thanks!
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
Location: Michigan

Re: Layout Advice For Match With High Tilt

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The 60* you are using is measured through the CG I presume.
The number 70* I referenced is measured to the thumbhole on the 60-3-30 IQ Ruby.
Cg location has no bearing on what the post drilled PSA location is.
The Thumbhole determines the PSA location on Symmetrical balls.
Eric Hartwell

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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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