A quick question for you guys about the modern release
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A quick question for you guys about the modern release
What do most of you call the modern release that most of the bowlers on tour use?
Does it have an offical name?
I am writing an article for the new BTM and I was just wondering?
Does it have an offical name?
I am writing an article for the new BTM and I was just wondering?
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Hi Ron,
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Thanks Jim, btw you may want to edit this. Change the the to this.
But what does the mean without a visual reference?
But what does the mean without a visual reference?
Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
It's known as working the inside of the ball. I don't know if I've heard Randy Pedersen or any pro on t.v. give it an official name. Of course Randy's given names for all kinds of releases. He calls Ryan Shafer's roll voodoo roll cause of his high tilt and rotation. The best name I can think of is modern power release?
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LOL, I call Tom Baker's ball roll the whirligig. He has 70-90 degreess of axis rotation and a bunch of axis tilt. When he throws a ball with a lot of colors in it (I call them swirly balls) he walks back and asks me if I am dizzy yet.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Are you referring to the "load/unload" type releases a lot of coaches are pushing these days?
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I heard Mo say do the 'Nike Swoosh', but, i may have found a way to 'draw' the nike symbol with my release. however, i have never seen anyone actually draw the symbol tracing the follow thru of a bowler that uses it.
the way i do it is in my follow thru, if there were a board in front of me, the symbol would start at the floor and hook off to the right at the top of my follow thru.
if the 'swoosh' goes in a different direction than how i do it, i would be interested in knowing how it 'should' be done.
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the way i do it is in my follow thru, if there were a board in front of me, the symbol would start at the floor and hook off to the right at the top of my follow thru.
if the 'swoosh' goes in a different direction than how i do it, i would be interested in knowing how it 'should' be done.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Seen various names but no "official name". How about "the modern release"?Ron Clifton wrote:an offical name?
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Back in the 80's the ABC Nationals was held in Buffalo. I was staying at a hotel on the Canada side of Niagra Falls. On the local news (out of Buffalo), during the first 15 seconds or so there were quick scenes of things I assume were Buffalo related. It's the kind of thing that would be shown every day the news was on. One of the scenes was an unidentified person throwing the bowling ball. I recognized him as Tom Baker throwing what you call the whirligig.Ron Clifton wrote:LOL, I call Tom Baker's ball roll the whirligig. He has 70-90 degreess of axis rotation and a bunch of axis tilt. When he throws a ball with a lot of colors in it (I call them swirly balls) he walks back and asks me if I am dizzy yet.
I thought it was odd at the time because living in the L.A. area, we see nothing about bowling on the news at all, let alone every day.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
It is a bit difficult to label or define specifically what the majority of bowlers are doing today that constitutes the ‘modern release’, as there are many variations of it. Some bowlers cup their wrist then uncup it, some cock their wrist then uncock it (many do both) some work the inside of the ball and some don’t (but still generate a lot of revs), some bend their elbow then straighten it, some get their elbow to the outside of the ball then snap it straight, some follow through straight and some to the left, some use an open hand at the top of the swing and some still cup their wrist throughout.
The one thing in common with the top bowlers today is that they are trying to generate sufficient revs with the least amount of physical strain, which requires a muscle free arm swing and release action. So maybe the term ‘muscle free’ release is appropriate, if somewhat vague?
Amleto Monacalli was probably the fore runner to what is now the most common way to impart a high rev rate onto the ball, and he started on the PBA tour in 1982! His release back then was in the ‘cranker’ category, but you wouldn’t put him in the ‘plant and pull’ class even though that’s what most would have categorised him as (before the benefit of slow motion video cameras). He also has extremely early timing in terms of getting the ball moving, requiring fast feet to catch up with the swing (same as Tommy Jones), which is integral to his swing and release timing, but how do you incorporate that info into a release descriptor? Today you may call him a ‘power player’ or ‘power stroker’ or even a ‘tweener’, but do any of these labels define what he is actually doing at the release?
‘Modern’ basically means current, or relating to the present, so if the majority of pros are releasing the ball in a certain way, it is modern. BUT, in 20 year’s time, whatever the most common release is then will also be the ‘modern release’, so that title lacks specifics.
In David Ozio’s coaching book ‘Bowl like A Pro’, he described the release some of the guys on tour were doing then as ‘wristing’, which is an interesting term too.
The one thing in common with the top bowlers today is that they are trying to generate sufficient revs with the least amount of physical strain, which requires a muscle free arm swing and release action. So maybe the term ‘muscle free’ release is appropriate, if somewhat vague?
Amleto Monacalli was probably the fore runner to what is now the most common way to impart a high rev rate onto the ball, and he started on the PBA tour in 1982! His release back then was in the ‘cranker’ category, but you wouldn’t put him in the ‘plant and pull’ class even though that’s what most would have categorised him as (before the benefit of slow motion video cameras). He also has extremely early timing in terms of getting the ball moving, requiring fast feet to catch up with the swing (same as Tommy Jones), which is integral to his swing and release timing, but how do you incorporate that info into a release descriptor? Today you may call him a ‘power player’ or ‘power stroker’ or even a ‘tweener’, but do any of these labels define what he is actually doing at the release?
‘Modern’ basically means current, or relating to the present, so if the majority of pros are releasing the ball in a certain way, it is modern. BUT, in 20 year’s time, whatever the most common release is then will also be the ‘modern release’, so that title lacks specifics.
In David Ozio’s coaching book ‘Bowl like A Pro’, he described the release some of the guys on tour were doing then as ‘wristing’, which is an interesting term too.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
That's interesting, the last I heard from David he was no longer bowling because of a wrist problem. -- JohnPIn David Ozio’s coaching book ‘Bowl like A Pro’, he described the release some of the guys on tour were doing then as ‘wristing’, which is an interesting term too.
Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
deanchamp wrote:It is a bit difficult to label or define specifically what the majority of bowlers are doing today that constitutes the ‘modern release’, as there are many variations of it. Some bowlers cup their wrist then uncup it, some cock their wrist then uncock it (many do both) some work the inside of the ball and some don’t (but still generate a lot of revs), some bend their elbow then straighten it, some get their elbow to the outside of the ball then snap it straight, some follow through straight and some to the left, some use an open hand at the top of the swing and some still cup their wrist throughout.
The one thing in common with the top bowlers today is that they are trying to generate sufficient revs with the least amount of physical strain, which requires a muscle free arm swing and release action. So maybe the term ‘muscle free’ release is appropriate, if somewhat vague?
Amleto Monacalli was probably the fore runner to what is now the most common way to impart a high rev rate onto the ball, and he started on the PBA tour in 1982! His release back then was in the ‘cranker’ category, but you wouldn’t put him in the ‘plant and pull’ class even though that’s what most would have categorised him as (before the benefit of slow motion video cameras). He also has extremely early timing in terms of getting the ball moving, requiring fast feet to catch up with the swing (same as Tommy Jones), which is integral to his swing and release timing, but how do you incorporate that info into a release descriptor? Today you may call him a ‘power player’ or ‘power stroker’ or even a ‘tweener’, but do any of these labels define what he is actually doing at the release?
‘Modern’ basically means current, or relating to the present, so if the majority of pros are releasing the ball in a certain way, it is modern. BUT, in 20 year’s time, whatever the most common release is then will also be the ‘modern release’, so that title lacks specifics.
In David Ozio’s coaching book ‘Bowl like A Pro’, he described the release some of the guys on tour were doing then as ‘wristing’, which is an interesting term too.
Great summary Dean...as this has really been my observation (regarding what I see as the modern release) with today's bowlers. It is so hard to pinpoint a specific one as they all are achieving higher rev rates from different variations. I also think this is what has lead to the slight confusion for me mentally as I know all those different ways to release...but I have not pinpointed my own 'go to' release to stay consistent. After the season, I will be focusing on that very specific thing to solidify my game. Too many times in league do I attempt a different release to achieve my results as opposed to modifying a go to release. I just don't know if I want to be the cup/uncup, or cock/uncock, or stay behind, nike swoosh or whatever guy. I get too caught up in wanting to be way too versatile, and I need to back up and simplify.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
whatever it 'is', there will be a variation that works for your body and hand/arm/finger type. the trick is finding what works for you as is everything as unique as a bowling release.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
I agree that the word modern is not appropriate as it is not specific to the era. Rather than 'muscle free' would 'relaxed release' be more descriptive?deanchamp wrote: So maybe the term ‘muscle free’ release is appropriate.
‘Modern’ basically means current, or relating to the present, so if the majority of pros are releasing the ball in a certain way, it is modern. BUT, in 20 year’s time, whatever the most common release is then will also be the ‘modern release’, so that title lacks specifics.
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I would go with the release version that is the easiest to execute for you and is the most repeatable, in terms of imparting the same tilt, rotation, revs and speed on the ball every time. This will also allow you to choose layouts that will match your ball roll more consistently too.ABSolut wrote: Great summary Dean...as this has really been my observation (regarding what I see as the modern release) with today's bowlers. It is so hard to pinpoint a specific one as they all are achieving higher rev rates from different variations. I also think this is what has lead to the slight confusion for me mentally as I know all those different ways to release...but I have not pinpointed my own 'go to' release to stay consistent. After the season, I will be focusing on that very specific thing to solidify my game. Too many times in league do I attempt a different release to achieve my results as opposed to modifying a go to release. I just don't know if I want to be the cup/uncup, or cock/uncock, or stay behind, nike swoosh or whatever guy. I get too caught up in wanting to be way too versatile, and I need to back up and simplify.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
How about the "projected" release? That is what 90% of them have in common and what differs from power bowlers of the past. Michael Fagan has it. Pete Weber has it. And they have completely different releases but both strive to do the same thing: Project the ball through the heads.
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Re: A quick question for you guys about the modern release
Hi Ron!
Nice to see you in here.
My question concerning the "Modern Release" is... are you *only* talking about what the hand/wrist is doing?
When I think of the Modern Release, I think of a whole lot more than just hand position. To me, it means lateral spine tilt, dropping of the shoulder, having your head over the ball, walking the balance beam etc. in addition to what the hand/wrist is doing.
Just my .02.
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My question concerning the "Modern Release" is... are you *only* talking about what the hand/wrist is doing?
When I think of the Modern Release, I think of a whole lot more than just hand position. To me, it means lateral spine tilt, dropping of the shoulder, having your head over the ball, walking the balance beam etc. in addition to what the hand/wrist is doing.
Just my .02.
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"turn the door knob" as it was explained to me back in the early ninties
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One thing I see consistent with the "modern" release compared to the "stroker" of years back is that the distance between the ball, and the shoulder is increasing just before the thumb comes out.
This is either achieved by a bent elbow straightening out, or a cupped wrist uncupping.
At the point where the arm, wrist, fingers are fully extended, the fingers act like a string wrapped around a toy top, imparting spin in the form of revs.
The most extreme case is Belmonte. His whole forward swing is the unbending of his elbow.
So the "top" has plenty of momentum away from the shoulder, when the "string" is pulled.
This is either achieved by a bent elbow straightening out, or a cupped wrist uncupping.
At the point where the arm, wrist, fingers are fully extended, the fingers act like a string wrapped around a toy top, imparting spin in the form of revs.
The most extreme case is Belmonte. His whole forward swing is the unbending of his elbow.
So the "top" has plenty of momentum away from the shoulder, when the "string" is pulled.
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DYDS: Drop Your Damn Shoulder