Layout Advice - playing left of 4th arrow

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holmrodd
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Layout Advice - playing left of 4th arrow

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Hi all - great stuff on the chats and on the wiki - thank you.

Im looking for a bit of advice for when I have to get left of 4th arrow - specs are on my profile.

I have a few symmetrical balls - all in the 35 or 40 VAL range - 3.5 or 4 inch pin to PAP depending on core strength.
Different covers - but typically either 3000 or 4000 abralon. I get a bit too much over/under with shiny symmetricals, so I will sand the polish off.

Here are some of my favorite asym balls/layouts:
infinite physix - 45x4.5x45
radical conspiracy scheme - 55x3.5x55
motiv blue coral venom - 70x3.5x60
motiv pride empire - 50x3.75x30 (condition specific)

when I have to get left and throw right toward the middle/end of blocks, I sometimes struggle with shape/carry.
Im looking for some advice for both symmetrical and asym layouts for playing deep.

When I layout an asym with what I think should work (70x4x45) - I end up with the mass bias left of the thumbhole - which seems off to me, but maybe that is okay based on my specs?

Thanks
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Re: Layout Advice - playing left of 4th arrow

Post by EricHartwell »

holmrodd wrote: December 4th, 2023, 10:18 pm Hi all - great stuff on the chats and on the wiki - thank you.

Im looking for a bit of advice for when I have to get left of 4th arrow - specs are on my profile.

I have a few symmetrical balls - all in the 35 or 40 VAL range - 3.5 or 4 inch pin to PAP depending on core strength.
Different covers - but typically either 3000 or 4000 abralon. I get a bit too much over/under with shiny symmetricals, so I will sand the polish off.

Here are some of my favorite asym balls/layouts:
infinite physix - 45x4.5x45
radical conspiracy scheme - 55x3.5x55
motiv blue coral venom - 70x3.5x60
motiv pride empire - 50x3.75x30 (condition specific)

when I have to get left and throw right toward the middle/end of blocks, I sometimes struggle with shape/carry.
Im looking for some advice for both symmetrical and asym layouts for playing deep.

When I layout an asym with what I think should work (70x4x45) - I end up with the mass bias left of the thumbhole - which seems off to me, but maybe that is okay based on my specs?

Thanks
Welcome to BowlingChat

You have a unique PAP. It is closer to your grip center than most.
Layouts with the PSA left of the thumb hole is very much possible.
Weaker Asymmetrical balls will have the post drilled PSA pulled towards the thumb. .017 and weaker.
With PSA ratings .018+ it is more stable in its location and influenced less by the thumb hole.

Sweetspot 90* Totals, 1:1 Ratio
Asymmetrical Layouts

Totally Strong .................... 40-5-30
Midlane ........................... 30-4.5-40 \
Benchmark ....................... 45-4.5-45 -- Adjust all 3 of these layouts to put the pin completely in the Ring finger
Long and Strong ................. 65-4.5-45 /
Control ........................... 45-4-65
low flare ......................... 65-2-45

Symmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong .................. xx-3-30
Benchmark ...................... xx-4-40 Pin in the Ring Finger
Control .......................... xx-4-60
low flare ........................ xx-5-45 Pin in the Middle finger

Playing 4th arrow and left of it puts you in the longest part of the pattern.
I recommend the Totally Strong Layouts for this.
Eric Hartwell

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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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