Has anyone ever encountered a situation where a bowler's pap changed dramatically? The original stats were 5 3/4 x 1/4^. The new pap is 3 1/4 x 2 1/4^.
Personally, I have never seen a pap ever change to that degree.
Drastic PAP Change
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walterp
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Re: Drastic PAP Change
wow... I've seen small changes in paps, nothing like this though...
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Re: Drastic PAP Change
The person is a very good bowler too. He is a high torque, high rev player, his technique is solid. From every perspective, it looks like his delivery / release never changed. He had been scoring well, nothing warranted a closer look.
Recently though, we drilled a low flare layout based on his old track. The ball was a total dud.
He was bowling in another house. A pro shop guy checked out the ball, noticing the pap. The pro shop person proceeded to point out the flaw in the drill pattern and recommended changing the drill pattern.
I was in total disbelief.
Before having the ball plugged, the bowler came down to the lanes and threw a few shots. We put a piece of tape on the ball, sure enough, the pap had changed. We changed the cover, the ball responded much better, but still left doubt in the bowler's mind. He had the person who questioned the drill pattern plug the ball.
In my ever inquisitive nature, I had to ask, didn't the other guy suggest that something dramatic had changed in the approach? That the new pap was unusual, especially for a guy that averages 230?
I have seen a lot, but the change in this person's pap took things to a whole new level.
Recently though, we drilled a low flare layout based on his old track. The ball was a total dud.
He was bowling in another house. A pro shop guy checked out the ball, noticing the pap. The pro shop person proceeded to point out the flaw in the drill pattern and recommended changing the drill pattern.
I was in total disbelief.
Before having the ball plugged, the bowler came down to the lanes and threw a few shots. We put a piece of tape on the ball, sure enough, the pap had changed. We changed the cover, the ball responded much better, but still left doubt in the bowler's mind. He had the person who questioned the drill pattern plug the ball.
In my ever inquisitive nature, I had to ask, didn't the other guy suggest that something dramatic had changed in the approach? That the new pap was unusual, especially for a guy that averages 230?
I have seen a lot, but the change in this person's pap took things to a whole new level.
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walterp
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- Medium Oil Ball: Nuclear Cell
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Re: Drastic PAP Change
Something had to change in his release. Or may his setup? That's the direction I would have gone... PAP doesn't change that drastically without some kind of reason why...
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Re: Drastic PAP Change
Mine has moved from 4 3/8"x0" to 5 3/8"x0". It seems to keep getting more and more away. Yesterday I took quite an effort to get that reading correct with couple balls and around ten frames of marking, filming, checking etc.
Right Handed
PAP 4 3/8" x 0"
60* rotation
17.5* tilt
320-360 rev rate
17mph off hand
PAP 4 3/8" x 0"
60* rotation
17.5* tilt
320-360 rev rate
17mph off hand
Re: Drastic PAP Change
No, i don't watch this.But a significant shift in a bowler's Positive Axis Point (PAP) from 5 3/4 x 1/4^ to 3 1/4 x 2 1/4^ is indeed unusual.