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 Post subject: Most Angular Layout.. sharpest backend on light oil
 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:26 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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What RG, core and cover characteristics should you look for in an angular ball for dry lanes?
And what is the most angular layout.

Would the double thumb layout be the sharpest and most angular layout regardless of the ball ??

Still looking for a super angular ball for light oil to dry lanes..
I got an Ebonite smash.. to 4000 abralon with high polish...
the ball is a weaker ball but it isn't as angular as I would like..the cover could be a tad weaker

I haven't put a double thumb weight hole in it yet though..
The double thumb weight hole should make it more angular off the spot ???

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 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:10 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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I think what you are looking for is the reaction from a ball with a higher rg. Each company has their secret skid flip cover and finish. I think all else equal, asymmetricals will go longer and harder because the differential ratio is what determines angularity.
The dual thumb layout falls close to what Mo calls completely strong which is a drilling he gives for oil.
You are very close to DukeBlue1987. He was looking for a flippy ball from what we could figure from a conversation with him. Mo gave him a recommendation for a layout that appeared to be very condition specific. 85* 3 3/4 20* P2.(see #12) viewtopic.php?f=15&t=555
For a dry lane ball, everyone is very amazed at the Mojave.


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 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:31 am Post Number: #3 Post
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I have a Mojave and it iis the best dry lane ball out there. You can still get these a few places. It has a lot of flexibility in how you drill it. Mine has a control drill based on my PAP and I can use it on fried through medium oil.

Get one if you can. I purchased a second one to hang onto for the future.


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I was looking at the Mojave a while back for a dry lane ball.. looked like a great dry lane ball but I don't know about the ball being very flippy or big on the backend..
From what I can see it looks pretty smooth..

that 85 x 20 layout looks like something that might work..
I always went with longer pins for longer and more angular in my symmetrical stuff..
but have leaned from mo that a longer pin will actually be less angular in asymmetrical stuff...

So is the key to skid flip with asymmetrical to get the axis to migrate across the pin to spin line when the ball is deep down the lane???

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 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:32 am Post Number: #5 Post
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I believe the key is to have the highest ratios possible (for me, around 3:1) with the your base line total, or base line + 10°. So for me, my base line total is 110°. A good long and strong for me would be 90° / 3.25" / 30°, or 80° / 3.25" / 30°.

Having said that, my Frenzy is at 60° / 4" / 50° and is still quite angular at the break point. Even with the P1 hole.

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J_w73 wrote:
What RG, core and cover characteristics should you look for in an angular ball for dry lanes?
And what is the most angular layout.

Would the double thumb layout be the sharpest and most angular layout regardless of the ball ??

Still looking for a super angular ball for light oil to dry lanes..
I got an Ebonite smash.. to 4000 abralon with high polish...
the ball is a weaker ball but it isn't as angular as I would like..the cover could be a tad weaker

I haven't put a double thumb weight hole in it yet though..
The double thumb weight hole should make it more angular off the spot ???


To get an angular backend on dry lanes, you want a large drilling angle and a small VAL angle with reduced flare. Precisely, 75 to 90* drilling angle with a 20 to 30* VAL angle. Use a pin to PAP distance of 1 3/4" to 2 1/2" on asyms. depending on your style; 4 1/2" to 5 1/2" pin to PAP distance for syms., again, depending on your style.


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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:27 am Post Number: #7 Post
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Mo Pinel wrote:
To get an angular backend on dry lanes, you want a large drilling angle and a small VAL angle with reduced flare. Precisely, 75 to 90* drilling angle with a 20 to 30* VAL angle. Use a pin to PAP distance of 1 3/4" to 2 1/2" on asyms. depending on your style; 4 1/2" to 5 1/2" pin to PAP distance for syms., again, depending on your style.


I'm a little late to the party, but...

Is the short pin-pap distance (Asym) to control flare, specific to dry lanes in this scenario?
Or is the short pin-pap used to create higher angle universally?

For people throwing on heavier oil, who are still looking for extreme angularity on the back end, does the pin to pap distance increase with the volume of oil?

Example: Med-Heavy House Shot
17 MPH
275 RPM
70* Rotation
7* Tilt

Mutant Cell Pearl, looking for a hockey stick, skid/snap reaction.
Diff: .047
Int: .021

For higher volumes of oil, will the Double Thumb provide the sharpest entry angle, or will an 80*3*20 out angle a DT of 60*4*30, or do you still stay with a short pin to pap to reduce flare as quoted?


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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:53 pm Post Number: #8 Post
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the double thumb doesnt make the ball "hook" more it makes the ball start transition a lot earlier. which doesnt sound like thats what you want. youll want a big first angle 80x2-1/2x15-20, thats my opinion. but make yourself more familiar with layouts by using mo's dual angle/gradient line at http://www.morichbowling.com


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 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:06 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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Jason if you want to see a Mojave in action let me know where some fried lanes are and we will go practice.

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 Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:02 pm Post Number: #10 Post
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Revkiller wrote:
I have a Mojave and it iis the best dry lane ball out there. You can still get these a few places. It has a lot of flexibility in how you drill it. Mine has a control drill based on my PAP and I can use it on fried through medium oil.

Get one if you can. I purchased a second one to hang onto for the future.


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The Mojave with the layouts that I recommended in my post will do the trick for him. I just finished the trade shows and discovered that DiLaura Bros. has Mojaves in stock at a discounted price. Have your pro shop get Mojaves from them. They're in Detroit. Thanks for your recommendation.


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