Ball help and arsenal layout

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Ball help and arsenal layout

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Ok everyone i am looking for my basic assym and sym layout arsenal also i currently have a Brunswick Magnitude 035 solid i do not know the angles but it is pin below bridge with cg kicked out 30° and a p3 hole i am also looking for a ball up and a ball down from this ball
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Jmcarriere wrote:Ok everyone i am looking for my basic assym and sym layout arsenal also i currently have a Brunswick Magnitude 035 solid i do not know the angles but it is pin below bridge with cg kicked out 30° and a p3 hole i am also looking for a ball up and a ball down from this ball
Ball up: Tremendous Solid 50 x 4.5 x 40
Ball down: Cyclops Pearl 60 x 4 x 55 (could be pin in RF)
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Jmcarriere wrote:Ok everyone i am looking for my basic assym and sym layout arsenal also i currently have a Brunswick Magnitude 035 solid i do not know the angles but it is pin below bridge with cg kicked out 30° and a p3 hole i am also looking for a ball up and a ball down from this ball
Asymmetrical Benchmark 90* totals, 1.25:1 Ratio 50-4.25-40

Basic Asymmetrical arsenal
Totally Strong ................. 45-4.5-25
Midlane ......................... 30-4.5-40
Benchmark ................... 50-4.25-40
Long and Strong ............ 70-4.25-40
Control ......................... 50-4-60
low flare ....................... 70-2.25-40

Basic Symmetrical arsenal (drilling angle to Cg)
Totally Strong ................. Double Thumb layout
Midlane ......................... 55-3.5-35 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark ................... 60-4-35 P3
Long and Strong ............ 90-4-35 Motion Hole
Control ......................... 60-4.25-55 pin in ring finger, option for bal hole 2" below midline on the VAL
low flare ....................... 70-5-35
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EricHartwell wrote: Asymmetrical Benchmark 90* totals, 1.25:1 Ratio 50-4.25-40

Basic Asymmetrical arsenal
Totally Strong ................. 45-4.5-25
Midlane ......................... 30-4.5-40
Benchmark ................... 50-4.25-40
Long and Strong ............ 70-4.25-40
Control ......................... 50-4-60
low flare ....................... 70-2.25-40

Basic Symmetrical arsenal (drilling angle to Cg)
Totally Strong ................. Double Thumb layout
Midlane ......................... 55-3.5-35 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark ................... 60-4-35 P3
Long and Strong ............ 90-4-35 Motion Hole
Control ......................... 60-4.25-55 pin in ring finger, option for bal hole 2" below midline on the VAL
low flare ....................... 70-5-35
Eric i dont know if this will make a difference at all but i have an inverted track so my track is farther away from my thumb then it is from my fingers
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It does not matter. The layouts are based on your Tilt, Rotation Speed and Revs.

What is your PAP measurement? It is listed as 4 3/ right 1/4 up. 4 and 3/ what?
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EricHartwell wrote:It does not matter. The layouts are based on your Tilt, Rotation Speed and Revs.

What is your PAP measurement? It is listed as 4 3/ right 1/4 up. 4 and 3/ what?
Sorry eric it is 4 3/4> 1/4^
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That is what I figured. Wanted confirmation for the Control layout, pin in the ring finger. Depending on your span you may have to adjust it to drill the pin out completely should you choose to utilize that layout or MegaMav's suggestion for the Cyclops.

It just appears that your track is "inverted" because the finger hole is left of the centerline. If you had a Down co-ordinate, then your track would actually be "inverted" as compared to the grip centerline.
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It just appears that your track is "inverted" because the finger hole is left of the centerline. If you had a Down co-ordinate, then your track would actually be "inverted" as compared to the grip centerline.
That's right. If the up/down part of your PAP location is negative (down) your track is inverted, if it's positive (up) it's not inverted. The proper comparison is the distance from the grip centerline instead of from the holes. -- JohnP
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EricHartwell wrote:That is what I figured. Wanted confirmation for the Control layout, pin in the ring finger. Depending on your span you may have to adjust it to drill the pin out completely should you choose to utilize that layout or MegaMav's suggestion for the Cyclops.

It just appears that your track is "inverted" because the finger hole is left of the centerline. If you had a Down co-ordinate, then your track would actually be "inverted" as compared to the grip centerline.
Eric i had a Tremendous pearl drilled at a 60x4.5x40 and what i see from it game one is coming off the spot hard and to much angle into the pocket what ball from radical amd drill would be good for game 1 but come off the spot a little softer
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Tremendous solid 50-4.25-40
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