BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
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BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
JUST DID A SESSION ON THE BOWLERS ID THAT MY PSO JUST GOT...MY STATS ARE AS FOLLOWS
REV RATE....252
BALL SPEED.....17.5
AXIS ROTATION.....85 DEGREES
AXIS TILT.....7.6
PAP.....5 INCHES OVER AND 1 1/16
AFTER TALKING TO MY PSO HE SAYS SLIGHTLY SPEED DOMINANT WITH HIGH ROTATION AND LOW TILT....LOWER TOTALS AND DRILLING ANGLES WERE SUGGESTED.....ANY HELP WITH AN ARSENAL INCUDING SPORT SHOT LAYOUTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED
REV RATE....252
BALL SPEED.....17.5
AXIS ROTATION.....85 DEGREES
AXIS TILT.....7.6
PAP.....5 INCHES OVER AND 1 1/16
AFTER TALKING TO MY PSO HE SAYS SLIGHTLY SPEED DOMINANT WITH HIGH ROTATION AND LOW TILT....LOWER TOTALS AND DRILLING ANGLES WERE SUGGESTED.....ANY HELP WITH AN ARSENAL INCUDING SPORT SHOT LAYOUTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Bowler ID is taken from a non-flaring ball. When laying out a High Flaring ball and layout I suggest finding your PAP on a High flaring ball and use that for High Flare set-ups.jobowl wrote:JUST DID A SESSION ON THE BOWLERS ID THAT MY PSO JUST GOT...MY STATS ARE AS FOLLOWS
REV RATE....252
BALL SPEED.....17.5
AXIS ROTATION.....85 DEGREES
AXIS TILT.....7.6
PAP.....5 INCHES OVER AND 1 1/16
AFTER TALKING TO MY PSO HE SAYS SLIGHTLY SPEED DOMINANT WITH HIGH ROTATION AND LOW TILT....LOWER TOTALS AND DRILLING ANGLES WERE SUGGESTED.....ANY HELP WITH AN ARSENAL INCUDING SPORT SHOT LAYOUTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED
A good idea to add your specs to your signature making for easier reference in the future.
Benchmark totals not necessarily lower. Speed to Revs yes slightly speed dominant, but once you factor in low tilt it raises the totals, then factor in the high rotation and I would consider you Matched. With all that said Benchmark total 95*, Ratio 1.75:1
Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ............... 50-4-25
Midlane ........................ 40-4-35
Benchmark .................. 60-3.75-35
Long and Strong ........... 80-3.5-35
Control ........................ 60-3.25-55
low flare ...................... 80-2.25-35
Symmetrical Layouts... drilling angles to Cg
Totally Strong ............... Double Thumb Layout
Midlane ....................... 50-4-35 bal hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark .................. 75-4-30
Long and Strong ........... 95-3.5-40 Motion Hole
Control ........................ 65-4.25-50 bal hole 2" below midline on the VAL adjust to pin in the Ring finger
low flare ...................... 75-5-30
Asymmetrical Sport layouts
Short Sport ....... 30-4.5-55 Adjust to Pin the the Ring finger
Med Sport ......... 30-5-45 P3
Long Sport ........ 35-5.25-35 P3
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Just to let you know... That my PSO also put a hole in an existing ball I had in the same location... The only real change was the rev rate.... With their ball it was around 225...with my ball it was 254....the PAP only changed about 1/16 in both directions.... Also since I have a high axis rotation shouldn't asymmetrical balls be closer to 5 inches to burn off some of the axis rotation and why is the symmetric benchmark total so high... Thanks again.... Also wonder is the ratio should be lower
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axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Moving the pin-pap distance out to around 5" or further on asym's is putting you in a "tradeoff"...the longer pin-pap isn't good for your lower tilt as it will make the ball roll sooner. You are better off using surface to determine how early the ball starts to move for you since the layout is a "set" factor in your reaction.jobowl wrote:Just to let you know... That my PSO also put a hole in an existing ball I had in the same location... The only real change was the rev rate.... With their ball it was around 225...with my ball it was 254....the PAP only changed about 1/16 in both directions.... Also since I have a high axis rotation shouldn't asymmetrical balls be closer to 5 inches to burn off some of the axis rotation and why is the symmetric benchmark total so high... Thanks again.... Also wonder is the ratio should be lower
I believe Eric made a typo there...that should be 65x4x30 for your sym benchmark.
PAP 5x1 1/8
15.5mph off hand
260-270rev rate
7* tilt
70* rotation
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
No typo, see my disclaimerbfweld wrote: Moving the pin-pap distance out to around 5" or further on asym's is putting you in a "tradeoff"...the longer pin-pap isn't good for your lower tilt as it will make the ball roll sooner. You are better off using surface to determine how early the ball starts to move for you since the layout is a "set" factor in your reaction.
I believe Eric made a typo there...that should be 65x4x30 for your sym benchmark.
No balance hole necessary if the Cg is closer to the grip center.EricHartwell wrote:Symmetrical Layouts... drilling angles to Cg
bfweld is right about your low tilt being the determining factor when I chose the pin to PAP's.
Use surface to burn off your rotation.
Unless you like that skid snap reaction.
I gave layouts for a "Basic" arsenal. Custom layouts for specific reactions need to take into account the ball to be drilled and lane condition for which it will be used on.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
I'm a little confused ...I have always been told that with my very high axis rotation to keep my drilling angles lower ...had balls drilled with as low as 35 degrees on the drill angle....I guess that having a little more drill angle or retaining energy actually helps me ...also I see that all your VAL angles will keep the pin either on level or above my fingers is that the same reason... so I guess that more skid /snap is better...
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
I think you are confused.jobowl wrote:I'm a little confused ...I have always been told that with my very high axis rotation to keep my drilling angles lower ...had balls drilled with as low as 35 degrees on the drill angle....I guess that having a little more drill angle or retaining energy actually helps me ...also I see that all your VAL angles will keep the pin either on level or above my fingers is that the same reason... so I guess that more skid /snap is better...
You've mixed up drill angles with angle ratios.
Lower angle ratios for less volatile reactions.
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Here is the chart I made after studying as many of Mo's recommendations as possible at the time: You will notice that I had a 7.5* tilt bowler with high rotation and speed dominant pegged at 1.5:1 ratio for a benchmark.jobowl wrote:I'm a little confused ...I have always been told that with my very high axis rotation to keep my drilling angles lower ...had balls drilled with as low as 35 degrees on the drill angle....I guess that having a little more drill angle or retaining energy actually helps me ...also I see that all your VAL angles will keep the pin either on level or above my fingers is that the same reason... so I guess that more skid /snap is better...
What I would tell you is that if that is too much skid/snap for you, lower the ratios. That was just supposed to be a middle of the road/ middle reaction/ type layout for you to adjust layouts from. Most bowlers were very pleased with Mo's recommendations, but you might be the exception.
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Now I understand.... Thanks for the advice.... I have at least 2 balls that are very close to your benchmark symmetrical drilling they are both 55 x 3 1/2 x 35 with xtra hole in them... Have had some success with these drillings.... Have a No Rules drilled 55 x 3 3/4 x 35 loose close to your benchmark also.... Going to drill a Sure lock... PSO suggested 45 x 4 1/2 x25 to compliment the No Rules... Going to get a Code Red and a Show Off... Any suggestions... Also going to plug a DareDevil Trick that has a 45 x 5 x75 drilling on it.... Any ideas?
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Code Red ...............Long and Strong..... 80-3.5-35jobowl wrote:Now I understand.... Thanks for the advice.... I have at least 2 balls that are very close to your benchmark symmetrical drilling they are both 55 x 3 1/2 x 35 with xtra hole in them... Have had some success with these drillings.... Have a No Rules drilled 55 x 3 3/4 x 35 loose close to your benchmark also.... Going to drill a Sure lock... PSO suggested 45 x 4 1/2 x25 to compliment the No Rules... Going to get a Code Red and a Show Off... Any suggestions... Also going to plug a DareDevil Trick that has a 45 x 5 x75 drilling on it.... Any ideas?
Show Off .................Control ............... 65-4.25-50 bal hole 2" below midline on the VAL adjust to pin in the Ring
DareDevil Trick ......... low flare ............ 75-5-30
Just curious, why are you going to redrill the DareDevil Trick?
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Bowlers ID sucks!!!!jobowl wrote:JUST DID A SESSION ON THE BOWLERS ID THAT MY PSO JUST GOT...MY STATS ARE AS FOLLOWS
REV RATE....252
BALL SPEED.....17.5
AXIS ROTATION.....85 DEGREES
AXIS TILT.....7.6
PAP.....5 INCHES OVER AND 1 1/16
AFTER TALKING TO MY PSO HE SAYS SLIGHTLY SPEED DOMINANT WITH HIGH ROTATION AND LOW TILT....LOWER TOTALS AND DRILLING ANGLES WERE SUGGESTED.....ANY HELP WITH AN ARSENAL INCUDING SPORT SHOT LAYOUTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED
I had a session with it and all the results where miles off my true specs. I ran in confusion and Posted it here. Mo said I should stay cool and just forget the results and recheck. I did and my old specs where the right ones.
So I recommand!!!!! Befor you change anything check your specs with the usual methods. If you have no Ideas how look in the WIKI there are guides to check your specs!!!!
Ducati what else?
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Hey Nando I don't know when you did your session but this is the new and improved version of Bowlers ID.... Supposed to be more accurate
Eric the DareDevil Trick was given to me with the layout on it already.... Might just leave it as a control ball I just wanted it to be stronger off the pattern... It is very smooth... Not sure if it is the ball design or the layout.... What are your thoughts any suggestions?
Eric the DareDevil Trick was given to me with the layout on it already.... Might just leave it as a control ball I just wanted it to be stronger off the pattern... It is very smooth... Not sure if it is the ball design or the layout.... What are your thoughts any suggestions?
ball speed 17.5
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axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Sorry I meant NSANE NOT NANDO
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Probably a combination of both.jobowl wrote:Hey Nando I don't know when you did your session but this is the new and improved version of Bowlers ID.... Supposed to be more accurate
Eric the DareDevil Trick was given to me with the layout on it already.... Might just leave it as a control ball I just wanted it to be stronger off the pattern... It is very smooth... Not sure if it is the ball design or the layout.... What are your thoughts any suggestions?
The layout I suggested is a stronger layout and will still give you a smoother reaction and roll earlier than the existing layout.
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Eric I have since plugged and redrilled the DAREDEVIL TRICK talked to my PSO ...we agreed to a control type layout 55x4x45 so its a 1:1.25 ratio layout... ball is stronger than what I had before but still smooth..... also plugged a CODE BLACK and drilled it 70x3 1/2 x35 no hole ...its very long and angular..great when the lanes are burning up and I can get in . just a question I am going to drill a SURELOCK this week and not sure how to drill it ....if I drill it with your suggestion 50x4x25 will it be stronger in the backend or just overall than my benchmark ball ?
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
50-4-25 is the Totally Strong layout. Stronger is earlier. It will hook earlier and roll earlier.jobowl wrote:Eric I have since plugged and redrilled the DAREDEVIL TRICK talked to my PSO ...we agreed to a control type layout 55x4x45 so its a 1:1.25 ratio layout... ball is stronger than what I had before but still smooth..... also plugged a CODE BLACK and drilled it 70x3 1/2 x35 no hole ...its very long and angular..great when the lanes are burning up and I can get in . just a question I am going to drill a SURELOCK this week and not sure how to drill it ....if I drill it with your suggestion 50x4x25 will it be stronger in the backend or just overall than my benchmark ball ?
On most conditions the Benchmark will have more backend motion than the Totally strong.
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
I believe that's a 1.25:1 (actually 1.22) ratio. -- JohnPwe agreed to a control type layout 55x4x45 so its a 1:1.25 ratio layout
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
I'm thinking of drilling the new Hot Cell urethane ....any suggestions
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
For what kind of condition do you want the Hot Cell for?jobowl wrote:I'm thinking of drilling the new Hot Cell urethane ....any suggestions
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
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Re: BOWLERS ID ...NEED LAYOUTS
Looking to use this piece on 35 Ft or shorter sport patterns,,,,i think I can't use it on a THS unless they are really dry ....or polished as a spare ball
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up