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This ball at box finish is super clean through the heads. SUPER clean. Had to adjust the surface to 1000 siaair to be able to use the ball and wow it is great. Still super clean, but much more usable for me.

Glad I got this ball.
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kidlost2000 wrote:


This ball at box finish is super clean through the heads. SUPER clean. Had to adjust the surface to 1000 siaair to be able to use the ball and wow it is great. Still super clean, but much more usable for me.

Glad I got this ball.
I really enjoyed the quality of the video, but it brings up a point that has come up lately concerning pin to PAP distances on asyms. The 5.5" pin to PAP distance you used will make an asym NOT cover boards and roll forward. Watching your game I'd drill a 60 / 3 1/2 /30 for you. I suggest ball drillers review the accurate flare charts in the Dual Angle Article in the Wiki. The layout I suggest will allow you to use somewhat less surface and hit harder.

Breaking down the high flare zone for asyms:

2 3/4" to 3 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a lot boards.
3 3/4" to 4 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a medium amount of boards.
4 3/4" to 5 3/4" pin to PAP distances will play more direct.
They will all have all the flare will ball will offer before you choose the balance hole location to affect the flare.

Please continue the good work!
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Thanks. I am curious what is the difference when talking about forward versus side ways when the ball is down lane when going with a 5" pin to pap versus say a 3" pin to pap?

I have heard this several times before but when compared to drilled bowling balls the difference is hard for me to see. (Usually it is on symmetrics. Currently I have a Marauder Madness with a 3" pin to pap and a 5" pin to pap)
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kidlost2000 wrote:Thanks. I am curious what is the difference when talking about forward versus side ways when the ball is down lane when going with a 5" pin to pap versus say a 3" pin to pap?

I have heard this several times before but when compared to drilled bowling balls the difference is hard for me to see. (Usually it is on symmetrics. Currently I have a Marauder Madness with a 3" pin to pap and a 5" pin to pap)

Please read my post again. It specifies for asyms, not syms. I don't know why you started to discuss syms.
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Because I happen to have two of the same ball, syms, drilled differently that would work as an example I would hope for me to work with on understanding forward roll of a 5" pin to pap and side roll of say a 3" pin to pap.

If it doesn't work the same for both sym and asyms then lets stick with the asym example for now.

I am curious what is the difference when talking about forward versus side ways when the ball is down lane when going with a 5" pin to pap versus say a 3" pin to pap on an asym ball?
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*video has been edited to show correct core
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kidlost2000 wrote:*video has been edited to show correct core
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kidlost2000 wrote:Because I happen to have two of the same ball, syms, drilled differently that would work as an example I would hope for me to work with on understanding forward roll of a 5" pin to pap and side roll of say a 3" pin to pap.

If it doesn't work the same for both sym and asyms then lets stick with the asym example for now.

I am curious what is the difference when talking about forward versus side ways when the ball is down lane when going with a 5" pin to pap versus say a 3" pin to pap on an asym ball?
Good! Both balls will transition at the same points on the lane. The 3" pin to PAP ball will cover more boards and have a bigger change of direction at the breakpoint. The 5" pin to PAP ball will cover fewer boards and have a smaller change of direction at the breakpoint. That's about the most exact I can be in explaining it. I believe that should be completely understandable.
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That does make sense.

I always thought if using the same layout and going with the 3" pin vs say the 5" pin it would cause one to react sooner and one later ect. I think its a some what common misconception because most bowling ball I've encountered online and in person are typically drilled with the pin in the 4" or greater range.



As far as the Reax 2 goes I can not get over how clean this ball is through the front of the lanes. I'm really enjoying this ball right now. :D
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Last question if you follow up on this would be for suggestions on a Ringer Platinum and Melee. Suggestions on drilling or good pin to pap distances to consider? ( a lot of my equipment is in the 4.5 to 5.5" pin to pap range for both sym and asym) Thank you



I like this chart better then the one posted with the dual angle layout PDF :D

"Breaking down the high flare zone for asyms:

2 3/4" to 3 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a lot boards.
3 3/4" to 4 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a medium amount of boards.
4 3/4" to 5 3/4" pin to PAP distances will play more direct.
They will all have all the flare will ball will offer before you choose the balance hole location to affect the flare."
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Remember those pin to PAP distances and their relative boards covered are asym specific. Syms will be different. As I read through this thread, I noticed you mentioned the two balls with the differing layouts were syms.

Reading Mo's response, I suspect he may have been answering as if they were asyms. I might be wrong, as Mo doesn't tend to miss that kind of detail, but the answers do appear to be those I would expect to see for asyms.

Syms will have max flare and therefore max boards covered at 2-3/4 to 3-3/4, not unlike asyms. However, as you migrate the pin farther or closer to the PAP, you will see a reduction in a flare, with shorter pins tending to roll forward sooner and longer pins tend to roll later. How much sooner or later will depend on the core/cover match up, but those are the tendencies.

Hopefully, Mo will respond further to either confirm my suspicions or, elaborate a little more.
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You may have misread part of the replies. I do ask about the effects on syms because I have two Marauder Madness drilled with one being a 3" pin and the other a 5" pin and he clarifies they are different from asyms and gives the information for asyms as listed above.

I read back over the dual angle layout information that list the pin to pap info for each and the effects of each when dealing with syms and asyms.

I do like the written table Mo listed in his reply versus the graphic one in the DA layout information. It is easier to read more accurately for me.
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thats why higher tilt bowlers use longer pins on Asyms, you need them to roll forward sonner do to the physical game
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You are correct! I knew I had to be missing something! LOL! As you were...
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After adjusting the box surface to 1000grit the ball was a little closer to the reaction I was looking for. When throwing in league on the fresh the ball was still laboring down lane and struggling to finish. It was still inconsistant.

Today before league I decided to try 360 grit and then 1000 grit.........hello BEAST MODE!!! The ball still gives good clearance through the heads but really digs in hard down lane and attacks the pins with anger.

To say I'm ecstatic with the reaction and performance is a huge understatement. This ball got a lot of attention tonight on the lanes.
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Well I got the new V2 pearl and decided to try the layout Mo recommended for the V2 after I had some trouble with the length of the ball prior to adjusting surface. I look forward to trying out the new V2 pearl this up coming week.
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x-hole is 2.25" deep and about .5" down from my pap on the val. Also have a Mastermind genius drilled very similar but with a 4.25" pin to pap and similar x-hole. Tried the Genius last week and the cover was a bit too clean for me. Little difficult to control. Took it to 2000 sanded to try out this up coming week as well.
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Mo Pinel wrote: I really enjoyed the quality of the video, but it brings up a point that has come up lately concerning pin to PAP distances on asyms. The 5.5" pin to PAP distance you used will make an asym NOT cover boards and roll forward. Watching your game I'd drill a 60 / 3 1/2 /30 for you. I suggest ball drillers review the accurate flare charts in the Dual Angle Article in the Wiki. The layout I suggest will allow you to use somewhat less surface and hit harder.

Breaking down the high flare zone for asyms:

2 3/4" to 3 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a lot boards.
3 3/4" to 4 3/4" pin to PAP distances will cover a medium amount of boards.
4 3/4" to 5 3/4" pin to PAP distances will play more direct.
They will all have all the flare will ball will offer before you choose the balance hole location to affect the flare.

Please continue the good work!

This is a very interesting post. Are the 2 3/4 to 3 3/4 pin to PAP distances used mostly for THS's? Does it make the ball more difficult to control on sport compliant patterens? I dont remeber the last time I've seen a professional bowler with a pin anywhere other than around the palm or fingers (4.5 and up pin to PAP area). This enables the ball to roll forward faster while allowing them to control the back end? I know rev rate, rotation, and tilt play rolls in ball roll, however it seems that the 5" pin to PAP layouts take to release changes better than a 3" pin to PAP layout (just my observation). Thoughts? Thanks.
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NPMystikal24 wrote:
This is a very interesting post. Are the 2 3/4 to 3 3/4 pin to PAP distances used mostly for THS's? Does it make the ball more difficult to control on sport compliant patterens? I dont remeber the last time I've seen a professional bowler with a pin anywhere other than around the palm or fingers (4.5 and up pin to PAP area). This enables the ball to roll forward faster while allowing them to control the back end? I know rev rate, rotation, and tilt play rolls in ball roll, however it seems that the 5" pin to PAP layouts take to release changes better than a 3" pin to PAP layout (just my observation). Thoughts? Thanks.
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Shorter pin to pap layouts can be very useful for tougher conditions. Especially on longer flatter oil patterns.

You can't go off of what the pros do. They typically never use lower level equipment on tv and rarely ball down even when the lanes are hooking. Im not sure why other then bonus money for using new equipment on tv possibly.
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