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 Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:15 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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I have an overseas version of the Brunswick AI that I really like and get plenty of use out of. I drilled it last season and used it most of the year and at the begining of summer before taking my golf break. The ball sat with the rest of my equipment over the summer in my office at room temp. When leagues started back and I went to use the ball it would roll great the first shot and wouldn't even begin to hook on any shot after that. The ball felt like it was covered in oil no matter how much I used a towel to clean it off.

I put it away that night and resurfaced it later and tried again. Works flawless the first shot then does nothing after that. So I put it up and did nothing to it and tried it out again. First shot, works great and then nothing. It doesn't feel like it is covered in oil like the other first time, but it literally will not hook after being thrown once.

Any suggestions on what the problem might be or possible solutions? The ball hasn't been exposed to any extemes in weather. Just sitting with everything else in my office.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:24 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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Sounds like it needs an oil extraction with the Innovative Revivor oven.
John, your thoughts?

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 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:59 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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That would be my suggestion. Remove as many variables as possible using process of elimination.

Get the oil out first then use surface adjustments until the reaction is restored.


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What are your opinions on the validity of plasticizer migration?

I feel it to be a small component to the puzzle, but not the ball-death-end-all marketing tool it was turned into.


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 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:31 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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If the first shot is "flawless" then I do not understand why the 2nd shot should be different. I'm I missing something ?

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 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:20 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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stan wrote:
If the first shot is "flawless" then I do not understand why the 2nd shot should be different. I'm I missing something ?



This is why I am suggesting we use the process of elimination to figure this out. The trick to figuring out a solution is to understand what the real problem is.

We get the oil out first and then we get the surface dialed in and see if the problem still exists or did we solve it.


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Thats what I dont understand either. As soon as oil touches the ball it loses reaction. I use a towel after every shot and it has never done this until the start of this season after not being used for 3 months.

I can wipe the ball off, throw it slower, put more revs on it, or throw it normal, but it does nothing after the first pitch.

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JustinWi wrote:
What are your opinions on the validity of plasticizer migration?

I feel it to be a small component to the puzzle, but not the ball-death-end-all marketing tool it was turned into.





I feel the Brunswick research speaks for itself. I have attached a link to it at the bottom of my response. Please read it. Brunswick had nothing to gain by publishing this information because they do not offer any form of oil extraction products.

Since that was published we have suggested that the temperature of the Revivor be lowered to 130 degrees to accommodate weaker materials used by certain companies that will not be named by me in a public forum.

Let's also use a little common sense...It can get hotter than that in the trunk of a car in Las Vegas, Southern California & Florida in the summer time. If the bowling balls couldn't handle that amount of heat then they would be cracking at a rate that the ball companies would all go out of business replacing them.

Extreme heat - I agree we could have some issues but not at the temperature we use in the Revivor.

It is a shame that some people have to resort to such lowly tactics to scare people from using a proven, quality product. But, then again, deep down that tells you who they really are.

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 Post subject: Re: Surface help
 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:17 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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We also have this documentation on the wiki: http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... _Study.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Surface help
 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:51 am Post Number: #10 Post
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Great topic. I'm going with the good method from the below link

http://www.morichbowling.com/BowlingBal ... eaning.htm

After reading the Brunswick article it rings pretty true with what occurred after I tried doing some light surface work on the ball. The last tournamanet I used the ball in before the summer break was on a heavier oiled shot in a bowling alley with some amazing AC.

I have never been cold in a bowling alley while bowling at the end of June. The bowling ball would actual get cold sitting on the rack. So maybe not cleaning it, along with the heavier oil and then sitting for three months played a roll. I will update monday on how the exorcism goes.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:57 am Post Number: #11 Post
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The best method only cost me $10 a ball.
Maybe John can lead you to someone in your area that has a revivor oven.
Sometimes these balls can sweat for over 2 hours.

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I'm in Little Rock AR and don't know of any at the local shops. I would gladly pay $10 or so if it were available, but I may not be able to get close with $10 in gas. lol

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 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:13 am Post Number: #13 Post
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We have had the infrared lamp equipped rejuventaor oven for a couple of years, but we just purchased a Revivor.

It is great, set and forget.


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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:41 am Post Number: #14 Post
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what do you all think about using hot water and degreasing detergent in the event that an oven solution is not available?

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