Would this be a good idea?
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Would this be a good idea?
Hi, I am looking for some ideas for a possible new ball. I bowl on a THS that has had a shift of bowling on it before us. What happens is I start with a polished ball Winner pearl or No Rules pearl which works well and am able to move in as the track burns up and still able to hit the pocket but my carry decreases. There is still oil in the middle and am thing of using something solid with a bit of surface on it and play further in. I thinking of a strong asymmetrical like a Halo or a symmetrical like a winner solid. Just looking for a better look later in the night. Whats everybody think? Thanks Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
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Re: Would this be a good idea?
What layouts do you have on the Winner and No Rules?
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Re: Would this be a good idea?
EricHartwell wrote:What layouts do you have on the Winner and No Rules?
The No Rules is 65 x 4.75 x 35
The Winner is 60 x 5 x 40
Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
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Re: Would this be a good idea?
Halo ............. 80-3.5-40
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
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- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
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Re: Would this be a good idea?
Thank you. Does pin distance make a difference? I usually start with 3.5-4 pins. SteveEricHartwell wrote:Halo ............. 80-3.5-40
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
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- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Would this be a good idea?
Yes, I believe it does make a difference.SRB442 wrote:
Thank you. Does pin distance make a difference? I usually start with 3.5-4 pins. Steve
You are running out of carry when you get deep. I believe this is because you are rolling long pin to PAP which burns off tilt too quickly and by the time it hits the pocket there is no tilt left. Using a shorter pin to PAP on Asyms will retain that tilt giving you better carry percentage. It also creates a longer smoother hook zone also described as continuation. You could even go as low as 3" pin to PAP especially if you are going to keep a dull surface on the Halo.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
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- Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
- Speed: 14 mph at pins
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 13
- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
- Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip Camo
- Preferred Company: Roto Grip
- Location: Rochester N.Y.
Re: Would this be a good idea?
EricHartwell wrote: Yes, I believe it does make a difference.
You are running out of carry when you get deep. I believe this is because you are rolling long pin to PAP which burns off tilt too quickly and by the time it hits the pocket there is no tilt left. Using a shorter pin to PAP on Asyms will retain that tilt giving you better carry percentage. It also creates a longer smoother hook zone also described as continuation. You could even go as low as 3" pin to PAP especially if you are going to keep a dull surface on the Halo.
Thank You for the information. When I asked about the pin I meant the pin distance that is on the box I typically get 3.5=4 pin would I start with the same pin or get a shorter pin distance. I thought that being a dull ball it would run out of energy sooner but I am still learning all this stuff. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
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- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Would this be a good idea?
Pin to Cg distance does not matter.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Posts: 52
- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
- THS Average: 220
- Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
- Speed: 14 mph at pins
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 13
- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
- Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip Camo
- Preferred Company: Roto Grip
- Location: Rochester N.Y.
Re: Would this be a good idea?
EricHartwell wrote:Pin to Cg distance does not matter.
Thanks again. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
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- Posts: 52
- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
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- Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
- Speed: 14 mph at pins
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 13
- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
- Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip Camo
- Preferred Company: Roto Grip
- Location: Rochester N.Y.
Re: Would this be a good idea?
Still thinking about this. Stopped at my Pro shop and talked about it a bit. This shop has been drilling my stuff for over 30 years and the same person has been drilling my stuff for over 20. From knowing my game he thinks the Halo might be too strong of a cover for me. If I wanted something stronger to get the Halo Pearl which is a little stronger than my No Rules Pearl. The layout hasn't been discussed much yet.EricHartwell wrote:Halo ............. 80-3.5-40
It just seems lately in both leagues I bowl in (different houses) that when I start I need something stronger and by the middle of the second game I need something weaker. This past week I ended up moving in 8 boards to find a little oil.
Would the Halo Pearl work with that same layout? Your input is greatly appreciated. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
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- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
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- Rev Rate: 330
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- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Would this be a good idea?
If you want to sand it 2000 grit dull like the Halo solid.SRB442 wrote:Would the Halo Pearl work with that same layout? Your input is greatly appreciated. Steve
70-4-40 for the Pearl
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 52
- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
- THS Average: 220
- Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
- Speed: 14 mph at pins
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 13
- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
- Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip Camo
- Preferred Company: Roto Grip
- Location: Rochester N.Y.
Re: Would this be a good idea?
OK Thank You Eric. I just seem to do better with pearls although my high game this year was with a Haywire. SteveEricHartwell wrote: If you want to sand it 2000 grit dull like the Halo solid.
70-4-40 for the Pearl
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
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- Member
- Posts: 52
- Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
- THS Average: 220
- Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
- Speed: 14 mph at pins
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 13
- Axis Rotation: 61
- Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem Roto Grip Helios
- Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip PBR
- Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip Camo
- Preferred Company: Roto Grip
- Location: Rochester N.Y.
Re: Would this be a good idea?
Just a update on this thread. Had a Halo Pearl drilled 70x4x40. So far I like it it. In league last night had 25 strikes over 3 games. Still had 7 ten pins but heading in the right direction. I did find out that I need to really get through the shot hard for the best pin carry too. Thanks you for your advise and help. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins
Current Arsenal Roto Grip Exotic Gem, Gem. Helios, UC2, Camo and Own it Spare ball.