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 Post subject: weird layout on a storm sync
 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:52 am Post Number: #1 Post
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i got a used storm sync the other day and i expected it to be strong like my sure lock. i tried playing deep my first shot and it rolled into the 3 6. i took it in the my pro shop and he said it had no core dynamics. the cg was in the palm and was about 2 inches out of line the pin and mb (will get a picture up tomorrow). i can play it up 10 with good results. he said you get out of it what you put into it meaning if you have a lot of revs it will move a lot but lower revs and it won't. i heard some one on ballreviews.com say they wanted a pancake weight block with GI-17 cover well this layout might be as close as you can get.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:29 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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The pin and mass bias are what is important. The CG making a difference is outdated thinking. And with the new rules, it makes not requiring a weight hole even more attainable.


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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:45 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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Seems curious. I roll 2 different Syncs, each surfaced differently and with slightly different layouts, and do well with both, either down and in or swinging the ball. Post a picture of your layout and what your specs are so I can see how they compare to mine and to the layouts I have on my Syncs.


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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:21 am Post Number: #4 Post
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here is the layout. i don't know much about layouts but talking to 3 people all said it had no core dynamics
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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:23 am Post Number: #5 Post
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mrbean wrote:
here is the layout. i don't know much about layouts but talking to 3 people all said it had no core dynamics


Time to start learning and hanging out with people that actually know what they're talking about.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:08 am Post Number: #6 Post
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let me clarify what my PSO told me, he said the ball had no side weight. which i guess takes the core out of play

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:25 pm Post Number: #7 Post
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mrbean wrote:
let me clarify what my PSO told me, he said the ball had no side weight. which i guess takes the core out of play


:o

In my opinion, I think it would be best for your game to find a PSO that understands what affects ball motion. What your PSO is saying, could not be more wrong.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:11 pm Post Number: #8 Post
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The cg does not matter as much as some people seem to think. Most important is the surface of the coverstock, then the layout. The layout should be based on the conditions you are encountering.


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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:15 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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The CG doesn't really come into play. That layout should generally work, but you should really know your PAP and other specs also. You probably should experiment with surface choice to try and get the reaction you are looking for. I like to use a 500-4000 skip-grit finish on both of mine for house shots, and let one of them stay lane-shined while the other I keep the surface fresh with a sheen finish. One has a P3 hole (more continuous for me) and the other has a hole 2" down on the VAL (more hook-set for me). So, I'd say re-do the surface, and even with the upcoming rule changes regarding weight holes, it wouldn't hurt to add a P3 to get more out of the ball. You also said you bought it used, so maybe it also needs a good de-oiling.


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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:46 pm Post Number: #10 Post
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alright so now i have 2 questions generally what kind of reaction does that layout give. and with the cg out of line like that could this be a second

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:13 pm Post Number: #11 Post
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Normally would be a long and strong.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:26 pm Post Number: #12 Post
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44boyd wrote:
Normally would be a long and strong.


You dont know this.
You dont know his PAP and you dont know his tilt to make that educated guess.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:03 pm Post Number: #13 Post
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Hence the word “normally”.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:23 pm Post Number: #14 Post
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mrbean wrote:
alright so now i have 2 questions generally what kind of reaction does that layout give.


Looking at your photo that's a common layout, there's nothing weird about it.

As Mega said without knowing your PAP location nobody can be specific on the reaction you will get.

But in general that configuration is similar to the length and backend layouts shown for a high track bowlers in the generic layouts shown in a lot of the Storm/Roto and others drill sheets.


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and with the cg out of line like that could this be a second


If it is only 2 inches out from the Pin and PSA line then No, According to Storms manufacturing definitions. For it to be a Pro-CG ball, The CG has to be more than 2 1/2" from a line drawn from the Pin to PSA.

Also if it was a Pro-CG they still consider it a First.

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44boyd wrote:
Hence the word “normally”.


Can you define "normal"?

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 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:03 am Post Number: #16 Post
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You’re right, that’s a full roller lol.

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