Need a Ball & Layout Recommendation(s)
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Author:  rrb6699 [ Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Need a Ball & Layout Recommendation(s)

until last night I HATED my Idol. for some reason I didn't understand how to throw that ball. but, I got it locked in finally and after two bad games. threw 11 identical-carry strikes in a row with it.

I was determined to figure out what works for this ball, I found something. the ball likes to spin not roll.

here's my dilemma. I've changed to a speed dominant game. at least for my current arsenal. I feel validated for the fact I won a $2k first place tournament last week on a Badger 52' pattern using this technique. To give you an idea - crankers barely got a wrinkle and ran into trouble on the transition.

so, what I want is recommendations for a 16lb ball.. Im open to any manufacturerer not staffers pushing their balls. going for unbiased here.

here are my new specs:
PAP - 3-7/8 over, 1/2" up, RH
speed 17-19 downlane
I can tell you when I slow down I get matched speed and revs in the 16.5mph range on downlane speed.. you can figure revs from that. obviously, they go down at higher speed. I believe I have low tilt.

I'm looking for a Ball with a strong core and coverstock combo that I can throw a weak layout on heavy oil conditions. I know I may not get a reaction on 52' of oil, but, the ball motion itself (not movement on the lane - but the WAY it rolls). looking for a left-ward turning / "churning" off my hand! even if I try to come up the back of it more. I want to drill it under the new specs and suspect up to 3 oz of sideweight is going to be helpful for my game and will give me the ball roll I'm looking for. .

the Idol I have is drilled 75 x 5-1/2 x 35. no balance holes.

this new ball will be a heavy oil ball mostly. if you need any more info just ask.


Author:  mrbean [ Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:14 pm ]
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if you want asymmetric i would try a sure lock, or code x. i have a sure lock and it hooks in any kind of heavy oil i have thrown it in. i have also tried it on drier lanes and it still rolls but it definitely burns up some. haven't thrown a code x but i might get one because it seems similar to the alpha crux.

Author:  rrb6699 [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:54 pm ]
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I have a SurLock and it's what I used to win the tournament with. it's drilled 45 x 4-1/2 x 35. I can tell you it does not hook much.

in the matchmaker I thought the ball I threw (sure lock also) was the strongest ball in the bunch, but, apparently, I didn't copy that ball's layout close enough. because my ball I purchased hooks 5 boards even on friction. I can hook it more if I slow up but my speed keeps the hook down and I'm trying to go stronger for more grab.

if you think the SurLock is the strongest cover out there, I can get another one.


Author:  44boyd [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:11 am ]
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More Cash with a 70x3 3/8x30 is what I use

Author:  rrb6699 [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:27 pm ]
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what's your speed/specs. my speed is reading 17+ to 18+ downlane. spare avg over 19 but that's straight and with plastic.

I just saw that Kingpin Max and the Quantum Bias. I'm liking the looks of both those balls for what I'm doing.

here's what I'm thinking :
Kingpin Max: 65 x 3-3/8 x 30 - 3000grit
Bias: 80 x 5 x 30 - 500 / 1000 over

I'm going to experiment on older stuff I have with up to 3oz static weights also before I decide on static weights.

Author:  44boyd [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need a Ball & Layout Recommendation(s)

I’m speed dominate too, 16 to 20 off the hand depending on much or little I swing it. 275- 300ish rev, 12 tilt and 40-50 rotation. I’m more of a roller and not give away the pocket.

Those balls choices seem like a good place to start and adjust surface as needed.

Author:  mrbean [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:57 pm ]
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what about the roto grip halo

Author:  rrb6699 [ Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:44 pm ]
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mrbean wrote:
what about the roto grip halo

will look at that one.

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