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 Post subject: Re: Alias concept and MB position for other balls
 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:29 am Post Number: #21 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:

How much flare are you getting with the Symmetrical drilling?

Eric,
I can't give you an answer as I don't look for the flare rings on the ball after the shot and immediately wipe the ball with my microfiber towel after each shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Alias concept and MB position for other balls
 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:34 am Post Number: #22 Post
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jdrsuper wrote:
Eric,
I can't give you an answer as I don't look for the flare rings on the ball after the shot and immediately wipe the ball with my microfiber towel after each shot.

Next time you bowl with it I would really appreciate it if you could take note of it before you wipe it off and let me know.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:25 am Post Number: #23 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
Next time you bowl with it I would really appreciate it if you could take note of it before you wipe it off and let me know.

Eric,

Will do, it won't be this weekend because this is the only house that doesn't put out an ABT sport shot but a reverse block which i use urethane on. As soon as I run into a reasonably oiled pattern I'll let you know.

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 Post subject: Re: Alias concept and MB position for other balls
 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:41 am Post Number: #24 Post
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jdrsuper wrote:
Eric,

Will do, it won't be this weekend because this is the only house that doesn't put out an ABT sport shot but a reverse block which i use urethane on. As soon as I run into a reasonably oiled pattern I'll let you know.


Eric,
I bowled with the Alias this weekend and from what I saw the flare rings started about 1 1/4 inches from my thumb hole. there seemed to be only three rings and they were about only 1/4 inch apart. I would estimate that total flare is probably between 1 to 2 inches. Hope this helps. One thing that has always confused me is that supposedly higher flaring balls hook more compared to lower flaring balls. I always generate a lot of hook and whether I'm using a higher flaring ball compared to a lower flaring one I get the same amount of hook on the same conditions. I would assume that the way I release a ball is the main factor in how much hook I get. Am I right in my supposition. Thanks as always for you help.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:51 am Post Number: #25 Post
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jdrsuper wrote:

Eric,
I bowled with the Alias this weekend and from what I saw the flare rings started about 1 1/4 inches from my thumb hole. there seemed to be only three rings and they were about only 1/4 inch apart. I would estimate that total flare is probably between 1 to 2 inches. Hope this helps. One thing that has always confused me is that supposedly higher flaring balls hook more compared to lower flaring balls. I always generate a lot of hook and whether I'm using a higher flaring ball compared to a lower flaring one I get the same amount of hook on the same conditions. I would assume that the way I release a ball is the main factor in how much hook I get. Am I right in my supposition. Thanks as always for you help.
Thanks for the flare update. I figured with the longer pin to PAP the flare would be reduced.

As for your supposition about the amount of hook you are getting, your release plays a huge part in it. Slower ball speed coupled with your higher rotation will allow most any ball to hook for you regardless of the amount of flare.
The coverstock is a dominate factor in your reactions.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:00 am Post Number: #26 Post
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I haven't drilled one up, but I don't see any problem with designing the core to allow a truly post-drill symmetrical. I don't think there's a particular benefit, but I think it's fine.

Pin-on-PAP balls still get into a roll. They'll still hit.


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 Post subject: Re: Alias concept and MB position for other balls
 Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 3:50 am Post Number: #27 Post
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I thought i would chime in on this post, albeit a little late. I just drilled my Alias this morning with the symmetrical layout. Mine was a 15lb, 2oz top weight with a 1.5" pin. My dual angle numbers were -25 x 4.0 x 45. I had to shift my grip-line ever so slightly to line up the pin in the center of my ring finger. I drilled that hole 3.5" deep. When I dodo'd the ball it ended up with 3/4oz side and 1/2oz finger. Didn't measure the top-weight because I thought it unnecessary.

I threw the ball for one game on a broken-down 48' Eiffel Tower pattern. This ball consistently flared 4 to 4.5". The flare rings were 1/4 to 3/8" apart. I was pleased with the overall reaction; controllable arc with a good drive at the end of the pattern, it went through the pins strong. I'm sure the surface has a lot to do with that! :D

I am on my way tomorrow morning to Brentwood CA for the PBA50 National. Maybe it will be a good ball for the 40' Don Johnson pattern!

PAP: 4.25" right and .5" up
14.85-15.1mph on the monitor
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