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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Urethane Ball Thread
 Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:58 pm Post Number: #21 Post
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mrbean wrote:
are any of the older urethane balls still useful today for anything more than spare balls? here are some that i saw.
black hammer.
scarlet quantum.
AMF yellow angle.
ebonite gyro 1.
manhattan rubber urethane.
ebonite avenger.
brunswick phantom.
columbia 300 u2 classic.


I have an original black Phantom and on our dry lanes it is too much ball. I have to play too much left to right and it doesn't quite have enough on the return.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Urethane Ball Thread
 Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:27 pm Post Number: #22 Post
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mrbean wrote:
are any of the older urethane balls still useful today for anything more than spare balls? here are some that i saw.
black hammer.
scarlet quantum.
AMF yellow angle.
ebonite gyro 1.
manhattan rubber urethane.
ebonite avenger.
brunswick phantom.
columbia 300 u2 classic.

I have two Vintage urethane balls, an AMF Angle Plus and a Brunswick Grizz.
The AMF will not work on a modern normal to high volume house shot.
The oil volume is too high and the type of oil is too slick.
The AMF after a few throws becomes only a spare ball.
The Grizz however, as long as it is at stock 320 grit, will work as long as you keep it right of second arrow in the drier portions of the lane.
On lighter house shots I can actually move in with it and play a 12-10 shot.
At Poway it is far too much ball!
The Judge is a remake of a Vintage ball using a vintage formulation.
It is actually an original Black Hammer.
It too is just a spare ball on a normal house shot even at 320 grit.

The main issue is these older urethane balls were made to hook in a different type of oil that did not have the extreme lubricity of the modern oils. That is why they lose all hook once they get wet.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:39 pm Post Number: #23 Post
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spmcgivern wrote:

I have an original black Phantom and on our dry lanes it is too much ball. I have to play too much left to right and it doesn't quite have enough on the return.

Do you recall what drilling it has on it?
There were 4 layouts on the drillsheet. Mine was drilled with the number 3 layout. In dual angles it would be about 70-3 3/8-30.
Also what surface are you using on it?

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 Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:03 pm Post Number: #24 Post
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i remember someone saying that urethane balls get oil soaked and don't hook as much. i have seen this with my hot cell. after about 1 1/2 games i start having to move further right because it doesn't hook back as much.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:40 pm Post Number: #25 Post
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mrbean wrote:
i remember someone saying that urethane balls get oil soaked and don't hook as much. i have seen this with my hot cell. after about 1 1/2 games i start having to move further right because it doesn't hook back as much.


A ball doesn't get "oil soaked" after 1 1/2 games, but the cover does get oily. That's why wiping after every shot is more even important when using Urethane (watch the WSOB video they are wiping constantly).

Your probably starting to hit carrydown plus with some oil on the cover the ball isn't going to move like it did at the start.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:02 am Post Number: #26 Post
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bowl1820 wrote:

A ball doesn't get "oil soaked" after 1 1/2 games, but the cover does get oily. That's why wiping after every shot is more even important when using Urethane (watch the WSOB video they are wiping constantly).

Your probably starting to hit carrydown plus with some oil on the cover the ball isn't going to move like it did at the start.

It is really just oil getting into the pores of the surface of the urethane ball the way oil gets into the surface texture of metal.
This is how oil adheres and keeps an object lubricated as it rubs against something.
This is why a urethane ball will become an ice block sliding on a frozen lake after it gets wet.
You must wipe the heck out of it and preferably use an authorized ball cleaner on it during play.
The Hotcell flares so much that carrydown will not occur.
Only non-flaring urethane balls create carrydown as they roll over the same oil line down the lane.
They become like paint rollers painting oil stripes up the lane.
From what I am learning, a non-flaring urethane ball can really create some serious carrydown with modern oils on modern lanes.
It seems this severe carrydown is a product of modern oils.
In the old days (80's) this type of carrydown was not an issue as the oils were different and the volume lighter.
The main concern in the old days was the front breaking down fast and making moves with urethane off of that breakdown to prevent over hook.
Virtually everyone's urethane ball did not flare, but the crazy carrydown and loss of reaction you see today did not happen.

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