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 Post subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:54 pm Post Number: #21 Post
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If an industry giant like Storm/Roto Grip/900 Global who have the best seller Hy-Road core that will become illegal teams up with EBI who has the ever so popular Gas Mask core that will become illegal and try to take legal action against USBC they will most likely win. Don't think USBC has the money to fight against those companies.


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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:46 pm Post Number: #22 Post
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Fight against those who make the rules?

Can you do that?

Car manufacturers retool all the time when the gov says they have to, for safety or fuel consumption, or whatever. I know this isn't safety related, but can the ball manufacturers band together and say H3LL No! ?

Seems farfetched.


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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:02 pm Post Number: #23 Post
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Why would the ball companies want to fight this? Make virtually every ball out there illegal and they will have record sales as people replace every ball in their bag.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:46 pm Post Number: #24 Post
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RevZiLLa wrote:
Why would the ball companies want to fight this? Make virtually every ball out there illegal and they will have record sales as people replace every ball in their bag.


Good Point!


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:01 am Post Number: #25 Post
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Because then they'll have to start being creative designing cores instead of just slapping different covers on the same old cores...

People like to buy the proven old cores, look at the success of the two I've mentioned.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:03 am Post Number: #26 Post
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I wonder if these rumors have affected sales already. I for one will not be buying any ball until this becomes official.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:10 am Post Number: #27 Post
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I just bought a Black Widow Urethane and Columbia Nitrous. 12# Widow, 11# Nitrous.
I dont bowl in tournements, only league nights, and starting Jan 21.

How will this effect me, if at all?


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:30 am Post Number: #28 Post
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Hitchhiker42 wrote:
How will this effect me, if at all?


We dont know and wont know until the announcement is made.
Low prices on eBay for balls is likely an overreaction, and I suspect the following will happen:

1. The high diff balls will be grandfathered in just like when we dropped from .080 to .060 max.
2. The high friction coverstocks will be expired at a certain date, likely in years, not months. I'd like to see 2 years.

If it were up to me, these would be my limits on design:
1. Total Diff limitation of .035
2. Int Diff Limitation of .015
3. Coverstock aggressiveness/absorbtion limit to that of before "The One" was released.

Its important to note, there has not been a discussion on limiting asymmetry.
I suspect asymmetrics will get hot and ball drillers better learn how to drill them effectively or they will be out of business fast.

I've taken full advantage of the ball sales on eBay.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:37 am Post Number: #29 Post
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Hitchhiker42 wrote:
I just bought a Black Widow Urethane and Columbia Nitrous. 12# Widow, 11# Nitrous.
I dont bowl in tournements, only league nights, and starting Jan 21.

How will this effect me, if at all?

the new specification would dial back the maximum differential for balls from 0.060 to around 0.045

Columbia Nitrous. 11# has diff of .020
Black Widow Urethane 12# has diff of .025
so nothing there

as for the Proposed USBC oil absorption test, we can't say yet. if the balls don't pass you can't use them but it would depend on just how they write the rules.

None of this stuff has been passed yet, so don't worry about it yet.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:44 am Post Number: #30 Post
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Wow, those are great prices Eric!

I still wonder how they are going to regulate the coverstocks, Mo said in the Above180 interview that the current test for measuring coverstock oil absorption has a 30% margin for error, that's a lot.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:49 am Post Number: #31 Post
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TonyPR wrote:
Wow, those are great prices Eric!


I wont show what I got my Inferno Blue Flame and Edge Pearl for, its criminal.
Im good on balls for a couple of years, I suspect thats how long it will be until bans start.
Just a gut feeling.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:33 am Post Number: #32 Post
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Jaja :D yea, at least I know my undrilled Rack Attack will be within specs.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:14 pm Post Number: #33 Post
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USBC is seldom consistent, but when the change in differential from .08 to .06 was put in place they grandfathered all of the old, higher differential balls and made the manufacturers meet the new specs on new balls. It's still legal to use a ball that was manufactured with the .08 spec. I hope they would do the same this time. -- JohnP


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