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Static Weights

Post by Linknblue » July 9th, 2020, 7:25 pm

New specs, if I read correctly are 3 oz diff on all sides, top and bottom. I think the old was 3 oz top and bottom diff with 1 oz diff between side and fingers/thumb. So my question, if more than 1 oz of side weight was bad in old specs we had to drill a hole to get it back within 1 oz. Now we can have 3 oz difference. If it was illegal before, what is the logic, if there is any, of making it legal now? Also, Mo indicated there were 9 different layouts now. Where can I find out what those are and what they do? :?
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Re: Static Weights

Post by EricHartwell » July 9th, 2020, 9:37 pm

You want Mo's 9 layouts ask him on Facebook.

If you want to talk about the Dual angles that are best for you, not cookie cutter layouts for the masses, I would be glad to help.

The 3 oz static limits and no balance hole take away from the driller the ability to take a $100 bowling ball and turn it into a $230 hook monster.
Effective use of balance holes gave the consumer too much for what they were paying for.
Now you need to buy the top shelf ball to have equivalent.
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Re: Static Weights

Post by boomer » July 10th, 2020, 2:54 pm

You really think so?

I got all three balls plugged and then re-drilled to calculate the difference and I'm getting the same action (or very similar) with a very small change.

I'd think that if the change was pretty small, then the balance hole's effect, or negating it, wouldn't be that big.

Not a driller, which is why I'm kinda asking (even though no question marks, ;) )

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Re: Static Weights

Post by Glenn » July 10th, 2020, 7:56 pm

I have enclosed the simplified layouts documents for you:
4 SYM Layouts.pdf
5 ASYM Layouts.pdf
Mo says that for every 3/4-inch difference from the 5-inch horizontal PAP measurement used in the simplified layout sheets, either subtract 10* of drilling angle (for less than 5-inches), or add 10* of drilling angle (for more than 5-inches).

Mikey Pinel in his Bowling Science channel on YouTube offers some helpful information in his Episode 18 "The right layout for your axis tilt" video.



Good luck and be safe.
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Re: Static Weights

Post by Linknblue » July 29th, 2020, 5:53 pm

EricHartwell wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 9:37 pm
You want Mo's 9 layouts ask him on Facebook.

If you want to talk about the Dual angles that are best for you, not cookie cutter layouts for the masses, I would be glad to help.

The 3 oz static limits and no balance hole take away from the driller the ability to take a $100 bowling ball and turn it into a $230 hook monster.
Effective use of balance holes gave the consumer too much for what they were paying for.
Now you need to buy the top shelf ball to have equivalent.
Eric,
Want a couple of layouts for THS. Start of the evening and end of evening. Something that's going to keep me in the game. I don't practice anymore so my repeat skills have deteriorated some but I want something that's not going to make me pay dearly for my mistakes. Say something that will finish when I'm into 10 to 15 in the puddle and something that will allow me to play up the boards early in the evening. Appreciate the help. Ball suggestions would be nice too.
John H. in Lincoln, CA
PAP =5 over and 1/2" up
Rev Rate = 275
Speed = 14 - 15 on monitor
Axis Rotation = 55 degrees
Axis tilt = 18 degrees
Average = 215 house & 200 sport
55 years of bowling = old guy trying to keep up

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Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
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Re: Static Weights

Post by EricHartwell » July 29th, 2020, 9:00 pm

OK, you are asking for 2 things. One ball and layout is not going to fit that bill. So your looking for a 2 ball set.

I always start with the Benchmark and work from there. I am assuming that your release specs have been measured and not just eyeballed.

Your specs basically have you as a perfectly matched bowler. Nothing wrong with having a ball set being set up as middle of the road and trying to achieve that as your release. The key to doing it this way is to build in the margin for error. Accurate measurements show where that margin for error is and how to adjust accordingly.

Benchmark 1.25:1 Ratio, 95* Totals

Describe to me your misses/mistakes.
Eric Hartwell

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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
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