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This might sound preachy but my intent here is to help keep this forum an elite neighborhood where we can all question, learn, teach, share, and respect each other.

Ad Hoc Written communication can be misinterpreted, we can't hear tone of voice, see facial expressions etc.

Sometimes two people can derive different nuances from written words. This is one reason why books, newspapers, etc are edited.

I'd ask that whenever one interprets something as offensive, that they consider verifying the authors meaning. This in an effort to extinguish the embers before a forest fire erupts. In my opinion, the biggest loser becomes the forum itself

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kajmk wrote:
I'd ask that whenever one interprets something as offensive, that they consider verifying the authors meaning. This in an effort to extinguish the embers before a forest fire erupts. In my opinion, the biggest loser becomes the forum itself
I respectfully would add that this is a two-way street. Pat, condescending, and dismissive posts will rarely be appreciated, by anyone, even if the author believes they have earned the right to have that attitude. A lot of forest fires could be prevented if people didn't spray gasoline all over the place, and hand out burning torches...
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56bird wrote: I respectfully would add that this is a two-way street. Pat, condescending, and dismissive posts will rarely be appreciated, by anyone, even if the author believes they have earned the right to have that attitude. A lot of forest fires could be prevented if people didn't spray gasoline all over the place, and hand out burning torches...

You are quite right. You pointed out a gross oversight in my post. It's ironic because it emphasizes the value of editing and proof reading. Had I done so, I would have included a proof read caption, e.g. step outside yourself and 're-read' to see what might be added, removed, changed.

My oversight. My ego bids my embarrassment and a list of usual excuses,
but your enhancement serves the greater good.
A keyword is
as Otis, Aretha, and others have sang - R-E-S-P-E-C-T, that would cover both sides (yes/no/maybe).

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I sincerely apologize for my part in necessitating the creation of this thread.

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robbob5 wrote:I sincerely apologize for my part in necessitating the creation of this thread.

Rob Mautner
Rob, this was certainly not directed at you. I do not read every post for sure, but I've never seen anything negative come from you, on the contrary, you've been an asset.

Take care.

P.S. no needs for mea culpa, today is a new day.
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Thanks, John. I really do try to help bowlers to the best of my ability. When someone gives me the "I'm right and you're wrong, just 'cause that's what I've always believed" pose, sometimes I tend to over-react (just ask my wife!). I'm glad it wasn't directed at me, but, frankly, I think I did contribute. Again, I apologize.

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(I think) we're all here because we love the sport, want to learn what we can and help where we can. Let's be friends!

ps Not that it has to do with anything, but I rolled a 290 with my modified double-thumb Defiant Soul Monday night (and listen... I'm not that good!). First shot was a vicious, but deserved ringing ten (they are all deserved, right?) The ball sure wasn't dying on me. I can't say if I'd have scored the same with a different ball or different layout, but I CAN say I would not have had this experience without this forum and especially Megamav's direction. Will be fun to have the acrylic trophy to bookend with my sport shot 11-in-a-row trophy. Cheers!
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What I particularly like about this forum is the fact that it is monitored for inappropriate comments. I used to post to a different forum and I received some terribly abusive comments about a post I made concerning 'thumb offset'. John (KAJMK) contacted me about this site and I have I got started again with these varrious discussions.
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Therapeutic referral ... :)


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There is a reason for the RED TELEPHONE in the Kremlin and in the Whitehouse.

Written communication is neither easy nor flawless.

I urge all to seek clarity of meaning whenever aggression, malice, or disrespect is perceived. Consider the PM as a way of preventing a snowballing effect or avalanche.

We've seen what discord can do to a government and to forums.

Personally, in the few threads I've read, I've seen very infrequent "bad intent" or abuse.
Of course this is my perception.

It's ok and often productive to disagree.
We mostly have our favorites and sometimes they change.
If that were not the case, Baskin Robbins would have 1 flavor.

There is far too much intolerance in the world, religion, politics, etc.
Bowling is a sport, a business, but to the preponderant amount of the populace, even our membership, it is a game. Don't go to war or harbor ill will over a game.
There will be times when people are truly malicious, but we show verify before launching.

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Thanks John. Always the voice of calm.
You'd make a great moderator, better than I.
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MegaMav wrote:Thanks John. Always the voice of calm.
You'd make a great moderator, better than I.
Eric you are a very good moderator. No human being is without fault. Edison found thousands of ways not to do things.

Here's a thought, the forum has multiple moderators. If ever a moderator feels too close to an issue for ANY reason, I suggest they recuse themself from involvement or at a minimum, have an off line discussion with the other moderators, someone that may not have strong feelings on the matter.

Whenever friends or family are involved, it's far easier for the hair on the back of their neck to stand up.

From my view, you've done a good job. You are just not perfect.

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kajmk wrote: Eric you are a very good moderator. No human being is without fault. Edison found thousands of ways not to do things.

Here's a thought, the forum has multiple moderators. If ever a moderator feels too close to an issue for ANY reason, I suggest they recuse themself from involvement or at a minimum, have an off line discussion with the other moderators, someone that may not have strong feelings on the matter.

Whenever friends or family are involved, it's far easier for the hair on the back of their neck to stand up.

From my view, you've done a good job. You are just not perfect.

Cheers.
Thanks John.
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Just remember at one time other theories and empirical data were the norm, we have different and ever evolving equipment, data and knowledge. Being and engineer by trade I have been through four years of calculus, I never worked for NASA and really never used it…
MY POINT is most bowlers will benefit from the data but they don’t necessarily have the need to understand it in its most technical detail and some cannot (And I mean no disrespect by that).
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Big Kahuna wrote:Just remember at one time other theories and empirical data were the norm, we have different and ever evolving equipment, data and knowledge. Being and engineer by trade I have been through four years of calculus, I never worked for NASA and really never used it…
MY POINT is most bowlers will benefit from the data but they don’t necessarily have the need to understand it in its most technical detail and some cannot (And I mean no disrespect by that).

Reminds me of a classic line from Kelly's heroes by Oddball when asked why he was not trying to repair the tank ...

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Old thread, good to dust it off, every so often ...
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Just trying to help to the best of my ability. Discussion can be made with data, I really liked Jim Merrell’s response to my thread, he theoretically proved me wrong by three boards with mathematical precision, much better than just saying I’m wrong... anyway, just trying to help.

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TonyPR wrote:Just trying to help to the best of my ability. Discussion can be made with data, I really liked Jim Merrell’s response to my thread, he theoretically proved me wrong by three boards with mathematical precision, much better than just saying I’m wrong... anyway, just trying to help.

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Hmm, everything I've ever read by you exhibited your helpful intent and nature.
I too, like Jim's response, always a learning opportunity in every sense of the word.

I would certainly never question your motive.
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Insofar as being wrong, I'm like a broken analog watch. On average I'm wrong much more than right.
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