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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:10 am Post Number: #1 Post
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Anyone watch the video of have the grip drilled for them? Just wondering what the heck it is. Kind of steep to pay $150 for something with such little information about it.
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Did you see this http://billhallbowling.com/index.php?id ... er=product

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I watched the little introduction and it seems to me that he's doing what Mo's fit aims to do. I have a Mo fit myself. It's been adjusted a little over the years, but it still stays within the guidelines of Mo's fitting guide. I just checked where the points of wear are on my hand. Guess where they are? You guessed it! The pads of my middle and ring finger, the pad at the base of my index finger and at the base of my thumb, as well as a little on the sides of my thumb.

I'm not saying the system won't work, because I haven't seen it. But from the introduction video, he appears to be doing everything we try to do here with Mo's fitting guide, or the wiki fit.

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That is kind of what I though from watching the intro. If it is truly something "ground breaking" I wouldn't mind spending the money but.....I need a little bit more to go on first.
I am sure it Bill has a great product just wish the sales pitch was a little more informative.


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I would be interested to see what exactly he's doing. From the sales pitch, it looks like he's focusing more on the thumb fit, but that's just conjecture.

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I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


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I do not own or run a pro-shop. I have use Wiki fit and all known drilling online off center and CLT
The difference on the Tri-Grip is I can feel the ball more balance and toward my finger pressure on both finger are even. and the thumb exist is smoother. I think I may go to 16 lb lol

If you own a pro-shop the $150 is worth many times. I think whom ever tried it will want to switch all of their drilling over.

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I was one of the fortunate one's to let me try the Tri-grip more than 2 years ago. Before that, I have others, then Mo's fitting fitting system, then Bill's modified collier, then finally, Bill's Tri-Grip. Mo's fitting is great, until a tried the tri-grip. From setup to swing to the release, you will know its different. Not only will the ball sit on your hand comfortably, the release becomes very very efficient, the ball will just flow out of your hand. There is no struggle to hang on to the ball. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, then go to the affiliate pro shops and try it. It will do wonders to your scoring.


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I was one of the fortunate one's to let me try the Tri-grip more than 2 years ago. Before that, I have others, then Mo's fitting fitting system, then Bill's modified collier, then finally, Bill's Tri-Grip. Mo's fitting is great, until a tried the tri-grip. From setup to swing to the release, you will know its different. Not only will the ball sit on your hand comfortably, the release becomes very very efficient, the ball will just flow out of your hand. There is no struggle to hang on to the ball. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, then go to the affiliate pro shops and try it. It will do wonders to your scoring.



I now have several games on this ball with the Tri-Grip and everything boandgo said is spot on. I'm getting all my stuff switched over. The ball sits and comes effortlessly off my hand.


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dougb wrote:
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I was one of the fortunate one's to let me try the Tri-grip more than 2 years ago. Before that, I have others, then Mo's fitting fitting system, then Bill's modified collier, then finally, Bill's Tri-Grip. Mo's fitting is great, until a tried the tri-grip. From setup to swing to the release, you will know its different. Not only will the ball sit on your hand comfortably, the release becomes very very efficient, the ball will just flow out of your hand. There is no struggle to hang on to the ball. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, then go to the affiliate pro shops and try it. It will do wonders to your scoring.



I now have several games on this ball with the Tri-Grip and everything boandgo said is spot on. I'm getting all my stuff switched over. The ball sits and comes effortlessly off my hand.


yea thats the only down side plug and redrill :(


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odddood wrote:
dougb wrote:
boandgo wrote:
I was one of the fortunate one's to let me try the Tri-grip more than 2 years ago. Before that, I have others, then Mo's fitting fitting system, then Bill's modified collier, then finally, Bill's Tri-Grip. Mo's fitting is great, until a tried the tri-grip. From setup to swing to the release, you will know its different. Not only will the ball sit on your hand comfortably, the release becomes very very efficient, the ball will just flow out of your hand. There is no struggle to hang on to the ball. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, then go to the affiliate pro shops and try it. It will do wonders to your scoring.



I now have several games on this ball with the Tri-Grip and everything boandgo said is spot on. I'm getting all my stuff switched over. The ball sits and comes effortlessly off my hand.


yea thats the only down side plug and redrill :(


At $50/pop it adds up. Probably means I will have a 3-4 ball arsenal for quite some time now. Although honestly, my Brunswick Ringer that he laid out for me can pretty much cover anything I ever see with the right adjustments.


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dougb wrote:
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I was one of the fortunate one's to let me try the Tri-grip more than 2 years ago. Before that, I have others, then Mo's fitting fitting system, then Bill's modified collier, then finally, Bill's Tri-Grip. Mo's fitting is great, until a tried the tri-grip. From setup to swing to the release, you will know its different. Not only will the ball sit on your hand comfortably, the release becomes very very efficient, the ball will just flow out of your hand. There is no struggle to hang on to the ball. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, then go to the affiliate pro shops and try it. It will do wonders to your scoring.



I now have several games on this ball with the Tri-Grip and everything boandgo said is spot on. I'm getting all my stuff switched over. The ball sits and comes effortlessly off my hand.


any chance on getting a pic of the tri grip vs the wiki fit balls.. Can you provide measurement and pitch differences.

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I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??

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J_w73 wrote:
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I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??


Garrett Richardson in Pinole does it. Only pro shop in California to do it. Tell him you heard it from Doug!

I'm attaching two pics. The Ringer is the one with the Tri-Grip. Note how the inserts are tilted at a different angle than in my other ball, the Brunswick Aura (laid out using the WikiFit). The ring finger also appears to be slightly dropped in the Ringer, but I think Garrett told me my span didn't change.

I probed a little more on the changes but Bill was keeping the whole system pretty close to the vest. I could appreciate that... why give it away for free? But I watched him lay out my ball with a ruler and a pencil. No Pro Sect involved. I was surprised how low he placed the pin but man that ball does exactly what I requested!

Sorry I can't provide more info guys. I know people on this site are really into the science of this stuff.


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dougb wrote:
J_w73 wrote:
dougb wrote:
I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??


Garrett Richardson in Pinole does it. Only pro shop in California to do it. Tell him you heard it from Doug!

I'm attaching two pics. The Ringer is the one with the Tri-Grip. Note how the inserts are tilted at a different angle than in my other ball, the Brunswick Aura (laid out using the WikiFit). The ring finger also appears to be slightly dropped in the Ringer, but I think Garrett told me my span didn't change.

I probed a little more on the changes but Bill was keeping the whole system pretty close to the vest. I could appreciate that... why give it away for free? But I watched him lay out my ball with a ruler and a pencil. No Pro Sect involved. I was surprised how low he placed the pin but man that ball does exactly what I requested!

Sorry I can't provide more info guys. I know people on this site are really into the science of this stuff.


Thanks for the info. So just looking at it, it looks like he aligned your inserts to be with your CLT maybe??.. It looks like the ring finger would be dropped in relation to the CLT.. Do you track any different as it related to the finger and thumb hole on each ball??

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J_w73 wrote:
dougb wrote:
J_w73 wrote:
dougb wrote:
I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??


Garrett Richardson in Pinole does it. Only pro shop in California to do it. Tell him you heard it from Doug!

I'm attaching two pics. The Ringer is the one with the Tri-Grip. Note how the inserts are tilted at a different angle than in my other ball, the Brunswick Aura (laid out using the WikiFit). The ring finger also appears to be slightly dropped in the Ringer, but I think Garrett told me my span didn't change.

I probed a little more on the changes but Bill was keeping the whole system pretty close to the vest. I could appreciate that... why give it away for free? But I watched him lay out my ball with a ruler and a pencil. No Pro Sect involved. I was surprised how low he placed the pin but man that ball does exactly what I requested!

Sorry I can't provide more info guys. I know people on this site are really into the science of this stuff.


Thanks for the info. So just looking at it, it looks like he aligned your inserts to be with your CLT maybe??.. It looks like the ring finger would be dropped in relation to the CLT.. Do you track any different as it related to the finger and thumb hole on each ball??


Yes it looks like the inserts might be aligned with my CLT, but you guys would know better than me. He must've changed my pitches, too. So I don't think the picture shows it all. Needless to say, the ball fits me like a glove now. I cannot describe how well it feels.

As for tracking, I get much more tilt and rotation from this ball than anything else. My track has stayed in the same area -- just more flare.


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dougb wrote:
J_w73 wrote:
dougb wrote:
J_w73 wrote:
dougb wrote:
I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??


Garrett Richardson in Pinole does it. Only pro shop in California to do it. Tell him you heard it from Doug!

I'm attaching two pics. The Ringer is the one with the Tri-Grip. Note how the inserts are tilted at a different angle than in my other ball, the Brunswick Aura (laid out using the WikiFit). The ring finger also appears to be slightly dropped in the Ringer, but I think Garrett told me my span didn't change.

I probed a little more on the changes but Bill was keeping the whole system pretty close to the vest. I could appreciate that... why give it away for free? But I watched him lay out my ball with a ruler and a pencil. No Pro Sect involved. I was surprised how low he placed the pin but man that ball does exactly what I requested!

Sorry I can't provide more info guys. I know people on this site are really into the science of this stuff.


Thanks for the info. So just looking at it, it looks like he aligned your inserts to be with your CLT maybe??.. It looks like the ring finger would be dropped in relation to the CLT.. Do you track any different as it related to the finger and thumb hole on each ball??


Yes it looks like the inserts might be aligned with my CLT, but you guys would know better than me. He must've changed my pitches, too. So I don't think the picture shows it all. Needless to say, the ball fits me like a glove now. I cannot describe how well it feels.

As for tracking, I get much more tilt and rotation from this ball than anything else. My track has stayed in the same area -- just more flare.



Interesting.. when I drilled a ball along my CLT and aligned my inserts with my CLT, I tended to track up over my thumb hole. This all sound interesting though. I may have to take a drive to Pinole and give it a try. Hopefully he won't object to drilling one of my used plugged balls that I have. I don't know if I would be willing to try it out on a new $200 ball.

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Just a little info for the nor cal bowlers. I also do the Tri-Grip at Lane 37 The Pro Shop @ Delta Bowl!
Glad to hear you are comfortable with it Doug. It truly is AWESOME!!


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I was told that the video on how to do the Tri-Grip does not include details on how to select specific pitches. Example lateral finger pitches were given, I believe.


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