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 Post subject: Suggestions for enhancements to Xtra Frame
 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:16 am Post Number: #1 Post
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Triplicate, your comments about Xtra Frame
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4906
were the impetus for this post.
The thought being that a stand alone topic might be read by "the right folks"

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I tried it during the WSOB and was quite disappointed overall. It did not make me want to rush out and subscribe for a year, that's for sure.

I have professional photography training and experiance and I can tell you that ...


Comments, thoughts. Cheers or jeers but no spears please.

Seriously, just looking to get your earnest suggestions, who knows maybe you'll get nudge things along ...

Cheers.

Here's a recap of suggestions through post #10
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A mic on the approach
Explain the physics/whys/hows of what the players or balls were doing.
Make it available to everyone, for free, albeit ad supported.
Mobile app
More camera angles
More guest spots
NO ADS
Score card graphic on the screen
Video quality

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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:05 am Post Number: #2 Post
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I'm hoping that enough people join in here and give this some thought on how to make Xtra Frame a better product.

A good discussion on various ideas could be helpful to the PBA if it ends up improving their product. I'd love to subscribe if I could get the value and features I'm looking for.

What are YOUR ideas for improvement? Don't be shy... no one is going to beat up on you. :o cause we don't allow that here. ;)

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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:19 am Post Number: #3 Post
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Make it available to everyone, for free, albeit ad supported.

Monetized videos can field quite a bit of money, and it opens up this service for a lot of people who would sit through a 30 second ad to watch a bowling match, but either don't want to pay, or can't afford the monthly fee.


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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:23 am Post Number: #4 Post
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Personally, I think it's great. As someone who goes out on the regional tour, it's great to see how the best in the world play the patterns and how they handle all the transition. That's pretty much the reason I subscribe.

I think improving the video quality would be my first change.

To the people who want it to be free, I would say it's never going to happen. Jeff Mark mentioned that it costs approximatley 60,000 dollars to run each xtra frame broadcast. The PBA has a limited budget and without the kickback they get from subscribers, it wouldn't be possible.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:48 am Post Number: #5 Post
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A mobile app optimized to watch the shows on Android and iPhone/ipad phones and tablets. Would make it easier to follow some of the action at work or on the road.


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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:29 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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I've had Xtra frame for 3 years (believe it's that long) now. I love it. Was sitting up last night watching the chameleon championship. The one thing I would change would be better picture quality. I've heard them say many times that their internet connection isn't the greatest and I don't think it will handle them trying to stream a higher quality video. With the departure of Jeff Mark it has kind of lost a little something from the bowling technical stand point but I still enjoy it. I have learned alot just sitting there listening to Jeff explain the physics/whys/hows of what the players or balls were doing.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:53 pm Post Number: #7 Post
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BTW, Dustin (Above180.com) has been on the forum at least once ;)
If you've never been to Above180, check out the site you may like it.

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I stumbled across this forum today and I can honestly say I am very happy with the discussion that has stemmed from the podcast. The whole concept of the interview with Eric, and "What Happened To Bowling" in general, is to get bowlers talking and thinking about the current state of the game. I spoke with Eric yesterday at the reaction and we both seemed to agree that it achieved it's purpose. I thank you all for reading and listening and look forward to reading more of your comments.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:45 am Post Number: #8 Post
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Well they've been steadily improving every year. I joined last Spring and have gone all the way through the archived tournaments. The difference between each year is startlingly obvious. More and better camera every year along with better video quality. More hand held cameras being operated better and better.

However, I would like to see a replacement for Jeff Mark, one that is equally competent in terms of bowling knowledge. Mark Baker was great on it, even though his technical knowledge is....lacking in comparison.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:15 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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Better video quality. A mic on the approach. Perhaps the ability to have a score card graphic on the screen while show the match so none of the action is missed. And no, NO ADS, I'd rather pay to watch than get bombarded with garbage ads. Keep it simple is key. It doesn't need a bunch of bells and whistles clogging it up. Just good straight quality.


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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:23 pm Post Number: #10 Post
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I enjoy Xtra Frame shows. I think the matchplay rounds are some of the most exciting. Video quality is improving but still has a ways to go. More camera angles would be nice, especially when some oblivious person decides to stand right in front of the camera blocking the view, perhaps a camera on the ball return? More guest spots from various bowlers like Matt McNeil (local kid is bowling well) talking equipment/strategies/lane play.

Overall, it's a good product and I really like watching all the different ways people attack the lanes.


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 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:47 am Post Number: #11 Post
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The first post has a recap of suggestions through post #10 just in case someone cares.
Let me know what I missed of misstated.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:56 am Post Number: #12 Post
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They hyped up their brand new HD cameras and HD capability, but are streaming in a low resolution, pretty much webcam quality. I'm not even exaggerating, I actually like Xtraframe, and am enjoying watching the USBC Masters. But, in this day and age, with the high speed internet availabilty, they got to figure out how to stream in HD.

Adding to the list, the audio tends to be out of sync with the video a lot. Makes me wonder if their provider Neulion was the best choice.


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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:57 am Post Number: #13 Post
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$60,000 to cover an single event is more than double our show's Television budget for an entire year.


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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:03 am Post Number: #14 Post
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$60,000 to cover an single event is more than double our show's Television budget for an entire year.

Very interesting!


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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:07 pm Post Number: #15 Post
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Picture quality has to be #1 on the list. I just tried it for the first time this month and I always watch it in full screen.

They should be shooting for 720p. If they can't get 720, than at least 480p. This youtube video at 720p looks great at full screen: http://youtu.be/7U514sVPH6Y?hd=1

If they can't stream it live at that high resolution than at least the archives should be posted at a higher resolution.


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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:55 pm Post Number: #16 Post
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Kuf wrote:
Picture quality has to be #1 on the list. I just tried it for the first time this month and I always watch it in full screen.

They should be shooting for 720p. If they can't get 720, than at least 480p. This youtube video at 720p looks great at full screen: http://youtu.be/7U514sVPH6Y?hd=1

If they can't stream it live at that high resolution than at least the archives should be posted at a higher resolution.


720 would be great but not practical for streaming but I still agree it should be made available for download.

Check this out as well Kuf...

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3978

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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:28 am Post Number: #17 Post
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Here is the problems I had with it and also the reason why I canceled it after 1 week.

1. I do not like not being given an option when paying. When you sign up, unless I missed something, your account is automatically renewed monthly.

2. The main reason was that I was unable to watch last weeks TV finals with Pete Weber. So when I got home I was expecting to watch it on the archives. Not going to happen. I was told it takes a week to put a show on archive.

3. The other problem was the cameras. You are stuck watching one match. There needs to be a way to choose from the matches. I don't know if that is possible but I didn't enjoy watching some of the matches when there where better ones going on.

Thats my input.....


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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:30 pm Post Number: #18 Post
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Multiple screen sizes would be a nice feature. The small size is too small to see much detail and the resolution is too low for full screen. Zooming in on browser doesn't help. Video screen stays the same size. Being able to choose which camera to see would be nice also.
I like Xtraframe for watching qualifying rounds, but isn't the PBA having enough problems getting viewers? With the very limited schedule, not televising the finals hurts even more. I hate not having the finals televised. For that matter, I hate waiting until bowling season is half over before the PBA TV season starts.


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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:19 pm Post Number: #19 Post
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Another feature would be a scrolling bottomline of standings.


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 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:14 am Post Number: #20 Post
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Someone must be reading this because I was in Detroit during the second block of qualifying last weekend (March 10th) and sat next to the XtraFrame boot and noticed they FINALLY have changed the framing to eliminate the top half the screen filled with masking unit and top wall/celling dead space.

They now have the full masking unit still in the picture with the top parallel with the top of the screen. This is much better but still too much masking unit filling the screen with dead space.

Keep moving down guys since no-one cares to see masking unit dead space taking away valuable screen real estate. So long as you don't cut off the bowlers head your good to keep lowering the screen.

A step in the right direction but still not good enough. Come on guys... we want to see the bowler, the lane and the pins..... the rest is waisted space!!!

Tighten up the shot a little more for best results. MAXIMIZE the screen real estate top to bottom so we can finally see what your pointing the camera at.

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