How Many Times?
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How Many Times?
How many times do you really roll the ball well in a 3 game set in league? I am not talking about strikes as a result but a good roll right comparative trajectory, speed, revs, etc.
For me it's about 2 to 3 average.
I'd guess most pro's 50% to 60% of the time. Your thoughts?
Scott
For me it's about 2 to 3 average.
I'd guess most pro's 50% to 60% of the time. Your thoughts?
Scott
Re: How Many Times?
I will throw 5 or 6 balls in an average set that when they leave my hand I'm really happy with.
There will be another dozen or so I can live with. But they aren't "Oh baby watch this one hit" shots.
On the good scoring nights most of these shots strike. Sometimes you ping a lot of single pins.
There will be another dozen or so I can live with. But they aren't "Oh baby watch this one hit" shots.
On the good scoring nights most of these shots strike. Sometimes you ping a lot of single pins.
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Re: How Many Times?
I would guess I am in the 8-10 range. The majority of the rest I can live with, there are a few every night that makes me think to myself What in the World.
"Another day will bring a different result"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"
Re: How Many Times?
Hmm.. i would have to say about 10-12. Some of them usually result in a 10, 8, or 9 pin, but off my hand, i feel confident with the way i threw it
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Re: How Many Times?
After reading these responses I either have to assume you guys are way better than I am or my opinion of a really good shot is way different than most.
Re: How Many Times?
Your estimate is way off, or else how do you score so high with so little self-confidence? seriously.scotts33 wrote:After reading these responses I either have to assume you guys are way better than I am or my opinion of a really good shot is way different than most.
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Re: How Many Times?
I think my expectations are higher Jeff.scotts33 wrote:
After reading these responses I either have to assume you guys are way better than I am or my opinion of a really good shot is way different than most.
Your estimate is way off, or else how do you score so high with so little self-confidence? seriously.
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Re: How Many Times?
Im going to say around 6-8, maybe 10 on a great day lol
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Re: How Many Times?
Don't wait too long for the perfect wave.scotts33 wrote: I think my expectations are higher Jeff.
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Re: How Many Times?
Ain't that the truth.Don't wait too long for the perfect wave.
Let me digress a but about what I call perfect and believe that others may have a different definition. Because I am older and was raised on playing conditions that made a bowler play more parallel and up the boards miss room right or left was not there. In today's playing conditions massive amounts of miss room are built into the patterns on THS and if a player matches up with the right ball more miss room is evident. So, what I call perfect is not what another player calls perfect. It's probably just semantics.
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Re: How Many Times?
Scott,
If I don't hit my target,
if the ball doesn't hit my planned breakpoint,
if I don't release the ball to my own standards, at my desired speed,
OR
if I do not "post" the shot,
then I delivered a bad ball and I am disappointed in myself.
That doesn't stop me from accepting the any good luck by way of carrying or breaking up any splits. I have delivered far too many prefect shots and have NOT been rewarded with strikes.
I still figure I deliver 4 - 6 good balls per 30 frames.
If I don't hit my target,
if the ball doesn't hit my planned breakpoint,
if I don't release the ball to my own standards, at my desired speed,
OR
if I do not "post" the shot,
then I delivered a bad ball and I am disappointed in myself.
That doesn't stop me from accepting the any good luck by way of carrying or breaking up any splits. I have delivered far too many prefect shots and have NOT been rewarded with strikes.
I still figure I deliver 4 - 6 good balls per 30 frames.
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Re: How Many Times?
4 to 6 or 2 to 3 I think we are on the same page Jeff.I still figure I deliver 4 - 6 good balls per 30 frames.
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Re: How Many Times?
Per set?
I'd like the think I throw more than 3-4 good quality shots.
If I were to estimate, I think out of 30 shots about 12-16 are of great quality, about 80% (10-12) of those carry do give me the desired result, the other 20% (2-4) give me an unexpected reaction or dont carry.
I'd like the think I throw more than 3-4 good quality shots.
If I were to estimate, I think out of 30 shots about 12-16 are of great quality, about 80% (10-12) of those carry do give me the desired result, the other 20% (2-4) give me an unexpected reaction or dont carry.
Re: How Many Times?
Eric,MegaMav wrote:Per set?
I'd like the think I throw more than 3-4 good quality shots.
If I were to estimate, I think out of 30 shots about 12-16 are of great quality, about 80% (10-12) of those carry do give me the desired result, the other 20% (2-4) give me an unexpected reaction or dont carry.
I think Scott and I are talking about more than "good quality" shots. we talking about a notch or two higher: excellent to "I-want-everyone-to-see-how-well-I-threw-it shots. I want it on tape shot.
I mean
- hitting the target I was aiming at (not one board left or right),
- hitting the breakpoint I wanted at 40/42/44/whatever feet (not one board left or tight)
- hitting the release I wanted. (no thumb sticking, no extra loft, no pull, no chicken winging, nothing)
- posting the shot (no falling off to the left or the right, no sticking or sliding at the foul line),
- etc.
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Re: How Many Times?
I still think you guys numbers are low, here is my expectation of a perfect shot.
1. Clean swing, solid at the line.
2. Hit mark
3. Hit Breakpoint
4. Good follow through
1. Clean swing, solid at the line.
2. Hit mark
3. Hit Breakpoint
4. Good follow through
"Another day will bring a different result"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"
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Re: How Many Times?
Yes, Jeff exactly. Heck I've watched league players for years as we all have and never see the same technqiue or shot .Eric,
I think Scott and I are talking about more than "good quality" shots. we talking about a notch or two higher: excellent to "I-want-everyone-to-see-how-well-I-threw-it shots. I want it on tape shot.
I mean
- hitting the target I was aiming at (not one board left or right),
- hitting the breakpoint I wanted at 40/42/44/whatever feet (not one board left or tight)
- hitting the release I wanted. (no thumb sticking, no extra loft, no pull, no chicken winging, nothing)
- posting the shot (no falling off to the left or the right, no sticking or sliding at the foul line),
- etc.
I do think pro's can hit what I am talking about 50% to 60% of the time.
Scott
Re: How Many Times?
On 36 first shots.
I will throw 1 or 2 "What demon possessed my body to throw such a crappy shot".
10 or 12 "The lane man has to help that some".
15 to 18 "That is close enough to have a chance to strike".
5 or 6 "That is pretty good".
2 or 3 "Man, that is perfect". These almost always strike.
I'm looking for the "Man, that is perfect" to the "That is pretty good".
I will throw 1 or 2 "What demon possessed my body to throw such a crappy shot".
10 or 12 "The lane man has to help that some".
15 to 18 "That is close enough to have a chance to strike".
5 or 6 "That is pretty good".
2 or 3 "Man, that is perfect". These almost always strike.
I'm looking for the "Man, that is perfect" to the "That is pretty good".
Re: How Many Times?
Pinbuster,Pinbuster wrote:On 36 first shots.
I will throw 1 or 2 "What demon possessed my body to throw such a crappy shot".
10 or 12 "The lane man has to help that some".
15 to 18 "That is close enough to have a chance to strike".
5 or 6 "That is pretty good".
2 or 3 "Man, that is perfect". These almost always strike.
I'm looking for the "Man, that is perfect" to the "That is pretty good".
I like that analogy. but I'm not that good. My proportions are more like:
1-2: Who threw that for me? I'd like to kill him!
5-6: What on earth ever possesed me to keep walking to the line?
6-8: May God bless the ball designer!
6-8: Can the laneman help me THAT much?
8-10: Holy Cwap! I got away with that one! again!
5-6: That felt pretty darned good, but why did I miss my mark by 5
boards!
3-4: Sweet: nice release, hit target, hit breakpoint area. So what am I going to leave?
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Re: How Many Times?
Couldnt of said it better myself, i might start using this list, i epically like the last one.charlest wrote: 1-2: Who threw that for me? I'd like to kill him!
5-6: What on earth ever possesed me to keep walking to the line?
6-8: May God bless the ball designer!
6-8: Can the laneman help me THAT much?
8-10: Holy Cwap! I got away with that one! again!
5-6: That felt pretty darned good, but why did I miss my mark by 5
boards!
3-4: Sweet: nice release, hit target, hit breakpoint area. So what am I going to leave?
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Re: How Many Times?
Thanks, CLT. Give credit to Pinbuster for starting this.
I kind of like my #3.
I kind of like my #3.
Right handed
Speed: 13.5 -14.5 at pin deck
Rev Rate: 275 - 350
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Speed: 13.5 -14.5 at pin deck
Rev Rate: 275 - 350
Axis rotation: 45*
Axis tilt: 17*
PAP: 5" x 0"