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Excellent vid. I watched it yesterday then went to the lanes and immediately made a tip in spare shooting work for me. When shooting cross lane single pin spares I would always turn my body towards the pin and walk toward it. He stated to walk straight but push-away toward the pin. I was rock solid throwing dead straight at every spare in five games. One thing I am having a hard time wrapping my head around is the figure eight arm swing he describes. He does not really go into detail on why use this, or what the advantages are, as opposed to just keeping the swing plane in line with the target line. Lliked the section on transition too but was disappointed that he did not follow up with more detail like some examples of moves he would make. He did go into detail on set-up which I liked and have implemented into my game as well. Hope he comes out with a follow up vid in the near future.
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I too thought it was a great video. In fact, I would rate it in the top 5 of all time bowling videos with Don Johnson's "A Pro's Guide to Bowling" Volume 1 and 2, John Jowdy's and Marshall Holman's "Maximum Bowling", And Fred Borden's "Advance Techniques" being the other four. A serious student of the game should have access to all five.
As I understand it, Duke will have three videos with the second being worked on now. Also, Mark Baker is working on one as well.
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guruU2 wrote: Duke will have three videos with the second being worked on now. Also, Mark Baker is working on one as well.
:o That is so amazing, I got to look at the Duke video because one of the guys that works at my home center bought it a while back and didn't have time to watch it. Mark Baker making a video makes me both excited and somewhat confused. From what I've heard his lessons are extremely bowler specific. What feels like a good shot, what doesn't, watching a bunch of shots, and identifying the errors that lead to the bad shots.

I learn most of the things I know from the internet and see a coach occasionally to make sure I'm doing them right and for some ideas I hadn't thought of. These dvds are therefore a huge asset to me.
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One of the best I've seen. I've finally fixed a long, ongoing issue, I've had so it really has improved my game.

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guruU2 wrote:I too thought it was a great video. In fact, I would rate it in the top 5 of all time bowling videos with Don Johnson's "A Pro's Guide to Bowling" Volume 1 and 2, John Jowdy's and Marshall Holman's "Maximum Bowling", And Fred Borden's "Advance Techniques" being the other four. A serious student of the game should have access to all five.
As I understand it, Duke will have three videos with the second being worked on now. Also, Mark Baker is working on one as well.
Ditto!!
I'm missing the Fred Borden one but have some of his others.

Don Johnson demonstrates the figure 8 and other swings in his tapes.
The fact that Don's tapes were produced in the 80's should not in any way dissuade anyone. He was a great bowler and coach and someone I would have loved to have met.
Maximum Bowling is long on visual and has in my opinion, the value added aspect of slow motion visual and audio ( you can hear the release and couple that with the release zone).

Several years ago (this century), Norm or Danny Wiseman was feature in an article in Bowler's magazine. Since I'm an erstwhile bowling junkie, I have that article in a three ring binder.
I can scan and perhaps get it posted herein if anyone is interested.
I think the article was penned by Richard Shockley who paid some homage to Bill Hall who had worked with both Danny & Norm.

To the person that inquired about the merits of the figure 8.

Notes: - Some keywords I jotted down - Allows Hand, Accept Energy, Easier, Freedom,Command
Better Position to ACCEPT energy
Better Command of Hand's motion in the release area
More FREEDOM in back-swing muscles in arm & shoulder (are not twisted)

N.B. - Bowling This Month is our only periodical dedicated to instruction. If you've never read a copy, give it a go. It has long since been a font of information. Founder Bob Summerville (R.I.P) penned many a quality article.

Write to folks like Norm or Bill Hall, or others encourage more and support them when they do put out a product.
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kajmk wrote:


very interested in the article
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Also very interested in the article!
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Sorry for the delayed response.

Regarding the article. "Swinging with Danny Wiseman" Bowling Magazine Jan 2002

I've scanned it but the file size exceeds what is allowed.
If you'd like to PM me, I can send you an email consisting of 4 jpg files.
While there may be more efficient methods, my PC toolbox and brainbox are limited :oops:

I'd like to point out that Ron Clifton has a three part set of articles on Swing Paths.
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip43_files/tip43.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip44_files/tip44.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip45_files/tip45.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a link to his archived articles -
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Many of Joe Slowinski's articles are available in PDF via his website
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FruitFly wrote:Also very interested in the article!
I read your PM and sent the files to the email you gave me.
Let me know if and when you receive it and if you can read the files.

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Can someone point me to info on Fred Borden's Advanced Techniques .. Thanks Steve S
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steve s wrote:Can someone point me to info on Fred Borden's Advanced Techniques .. Thanks Steve S

Here is one
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http://www.bowlingbookstore.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is another.
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Thanks Gary ...I'll use them....Steve S
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guruU2 wrote:http://www.bowlingbookstore.com is another.
That's a very good resource. Thanks for the reminder.
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Check your PM's; Thanks!
kajmk wrote:Sorry for the delayed response.

Regarding the article. "Swinging with Danny Wiseman" Bowling Magazine Jan 2002

I've scanned it but the file size exceeds what is allowed.
If you'd like to PM me, I can send you an email consisting of 4 jpg files.
While there may be more efficient methods, my PC toolbox and brainbox are limited :oops:

I'd like to point out that Ron Clifton has a three part set of articles on Swing Paths.
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip43_files/tip43.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip44_files/tip44.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip45_files/tip45.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a link to his archived articles -
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Many of Joe Slowinski's articles are available in PDF via his website
http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you do not own a copy of this book, check out some reviews.
This book is worth every penny ...
http://www.amazon.com/Par-Bowling-Chall ... ewpoints=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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It's good to find this discussion. One of the first problems I have with this video is the fact that Norm keeps preaching about 'foot and ball arriving at the foul line at the exact same time' but doesn't demonstrate so himself -- since his foot definitely arrives split-second ahead of the ball! Am I seeing it wrong or am I mistaken somewhere?
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future wrote:It's good to find this discussion. One of the first problems I have with this video is the fact that Norm keeps preaching about 'foot and ball arriving at the foul line at the exact same time' but doesn't demonstrate so himself -- since his foot definitely arrives split-second ahead of the ball! Am I seeing it wrong or am I mistaken somewhere?
"arriving at the same time" is a apparently a somewhat loosely used term because of the extemely small amount of time we are talking about. Watch slo mo of any bowler and you'll see many differences in this timing but its still works for each.
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future wrote:It's good to find this discussion. One of the first problems I have with this video is the fact that Norm keeps preaching about 'foot and ball arriving at the foul line at the exact same time' but doesn't demonstrate so himself -- since his foot definitely arrives split-second ahead of the ball! Am I seeing it wrong or am I mistaken somewhere?
Reminds me of Groucho Marx exclaiming "o.k. who ya gonna believe, me or your eyes???"

Just about anything or production can be enhanced.
I think that Norm was describing what was once called "text book" timing.


This is not meant to be Monday Morning Quarterbacking. I'm sure Norm could have put out an instructional set of DVDs.
If you worked 1:1 with Norm or some other quality coach, they'd assess your game and see what to change and what to leave alone.
If one were to limit the view of Ryan Shaffer (spelling) or Brad Angelo or Michael Haugen, or Marshall Holman, or Mark Roth etc. to just their approach and not see the consistent quality results, one might be inclined to make changes. Even Chris Barnes does things that are not advisable for many.
The recent PBA Team Shootout telecasts provide an opportunity to observe a variety of timing sequences. The recent Ladies event would also be a good reference. - Strokers, Crankers, Tweeners, Rollers (Jurassic age...)
The Wiki has some clips of different bowlers releases, you can see the foot-ball relationship - http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... rn_Release" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- USBC renders - "you really can't put labels on athletes. In reality, it is impossible to classify an athlete with one particula style because all high end athletes have traits of a stroker, cranker, power stroker or tweeners"
The current USBC Silver manual states -
"Do not adjust the timing unless there is a posture liability. Remember there is no such thing as good, bad, or perfect timing. We do not get every athlete into time. Each athlete possesses his or her own individual timing. The goal is to make sure it is consistent and that they can create leverage. Leverage at the release position gives the athlete power and consistency."

A good habit to get in to is to POST your shot. That is pose at the line, watch your ball until it hits the pit. If you can easily and comfortably hold the position consistently achieving quality results that's a good start.

I used to joke that a deviation from "the book" was a style if it worked and a flaw if it flopped. Don Carter had a "style", I had a sty :oops:

Take a look at Ron Clifton's
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I hope we can have Norm clarify rather than us loosely guessing exactly what 'exact' means! :roll:
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future wrote:I hope we can have Norm clarify rather than us loosely guessing exactly what 'exact' means! :roll:
I believe that you may be able to reach Norm through Next Level Bowling

Home - http://www.nextlevelbowling.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Norms profile page there.
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Next Level Bowling is listed on our wiki ;)
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