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 Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:36 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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I recently saw Anthony Simonsen throwing a backup ball on the stepladder finals televised last Sunday night on FS1 (now available on youtube). It was the new Storm yellow urethane ball. It was drilled pin down, hole down, almost like a Rico layout. I was surprised that it would not track over the xhole. But then I thought about it and ask this question:

When a bowler throws a backup ball does the PAP and track remain the same, just the axis rotation becomes negative?


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I recently saw Anthony Simonsen throwing a backup ball on the stepladder finals televised last Sunday night on FS1 (now available on youtube). It was the new Storm yellow urethane ball. It was drilled pin down, hole down, almost like a Rico layout. I was surprised that it would not track over the xhole. But then I thought about it and ask this question:

When a bowler throws a backup ball does the PAP and track remain the same, just the axis rotation becomes negative?

EVERYTHING changes.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:15 am Post Number: #3 Post
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I went back and re-watched Simonsen rolling his back-up ball.
I distinctly heard the ball rolling over the balance hole.
I am surprised he didn't have a ball drilled to accommodate this release. I am assuming they have a limit on how many balls they have available for tournament play and he didn't want to give up a space for it.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm Post Number: #4 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
I went back and re-watched Simonsen rolling his back-up ball.
I distinctly heard the ball rolling over the balance hole.
I am surprised he didn't have a ball drilled to accommodate this release. I am assuming they have a limit on how many balls they have available for tournament play and he didn't want to give up a space for it.

I don't know about that, I just watched Kyle Sherman's vlog and he had 21 balls with him including like 3 or 4 balls he drilled while at the tournament. So I don't think there's a limit to how many balls you can have. I think it's more likely he made a spur of the moment decision to throw a backup and didn't have a ball drilled for it. If I remember correctly they even mentioned that he made the choice to do it after watching the match before his.

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I know at one time, there was a limit as to how many balls one could have in the bowler's paddock. I wonder if he is citing how many he travels with versus at the center during match play.
I've not found a reference yet.

I'm sure someone on the forum can cite a reference.

Given a finite amount of space, it would seem that a limit might be imposed.

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I know at one time, there was a limit as to how many balls one could have in the bowler's paddock. I wonder if he is citing how many he travels with versus at the center during match play.
I've not found a reference yet.

I'm sure someone on the forum can cite a reference.

Given a finite amount of space, it would seem that a limit might be imposed.

No, he was videoing in the paddock, specifically mentioned the word paddock. He pointed out that there were probably only 4 bowler's worth of balls in there and there were probably close to 80+ there. I wonder if the rules are different for this tournament because of the number of different patterns they were bowling on? He did also mention that he normally wouldn't have that many but for the fact that they were bowling on so many different patterns.

Link for reference:

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 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:19 pm Post Number: #7 Post
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Here is what I found...
Listed in the PBA FAQ
https://www.pba.com/Resources/Faqs#collapse47

What is the locker room policy?
A maximum of nine (9) bowling balls per competitor will be allowed in the locker room during qualifying. During match play all finalists will be allowed an unlimited number of bowling balls in the locker room. Loose bowling balls will not be permitted in the locker room.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:44 pm Post Number: #8 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
Here is what I found...
Listed in the PBA FAQ
https://www.pba.com/Resources/Faqs#collapse47

What is the locker room policy?
A maximum of nine (9) bowling balls per competitor will be allowed in the locker room during qualifying. During match play all finalists will be allowed an unlimited number of bowling balls in the locker room. Loose bowling balls will not be permitted in the locker room.

So, since finals are match play he technically has the ability to have unlimited balls available to him. I would imagine if he's going to start utilizing a backup shot more regularly he may start having one drilled up to have on hand in the future.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:02 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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When Simonsen was throwing the backup ball he was in a World Bowling Tour event, and their tournaments have a 6 ball limit.


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2lefthands wrote:
When Simonsen was throwing the backup ball he was in a World Bowling Tour event, and their tournaments have a 6 ball limit.

Ah... That's true, that's a whole different rules set. I forgot about that because their scoring is different too.

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