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 Post subject: Storm video - Should I change my ball weight
 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:40 am Post Number: #1 Post
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 Post subject: Re: Storm video - Should I change my ball weight
 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:10 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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Interesting video, also a subject explored in detail, in the book “Bowling Beyond the Basics” by James Freeman & Ron Hatfield. It seems to me, having been forced by injury to drop in weight and now slowly going back up, the only way to know the best weight for you is trial and error. Both of these sources, anyway, debunk the long held idea that the heaviest you can comfortably roll, is the best option. Unfortunately trial and error can be a time consuming and expensive process.

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 Post subject: Re: Storm video - Should I change my ball weight
 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:03 am Post Number: #3 Post
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David, have you read and tried Ron Clifton's article "What weight ..."
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip14.htm

Ron is a top notch instructor and communicates via the written word. Ron has helped many bowler's at every level for many years.
There are 40+ articles at
www.bowl4fun.com

Keep in mind that his rpms and speed are part of the pin carry.

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Thanks John, I have read Ron’s as well as a lot of his other info. I even tried to set up a small clinic with him early in my nine year second bowling life, but my local centers would not cooperate enough to allow it to happen. Ron’s article really doesn’t consider below 14 lbs. The book I quoted, which I am still reading, as well as the video you posted, go even further. The book does get into the lightweight core issue, which Eric Hartwell has talked about in the past too

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 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:00 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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davidjr113 wrote:
Thanks John, I have read Ron’s as well as a lot of his other info. I even tried to set up a small clinic with him early in my nine year second bowling life, but my local centers would not cooperate enough to allow it to happen. Ron’s article really doesn’t consider below 14 lbs. The book I quoted, which I am still reading, as well as the video you posted, go even further. The book does get into the lightweight core issue, which Eric Hartwell has talked about in the past too


I had the pleasure of meeting Ron, chatting with and watching him coach 2 bowlers.
One bowler was about a 150 average novice, the other an advanced player with PBA regional experience. I was impressed with Ron's skill, his style, but most of all, his character.
Both players had contracted for a set time. After the time had expired, Ron worked with the novice (at no charge). He worked until the guy showed improvement and that "he got it".
Note that this was in Phoenix Arizona, Ron's home base is in Carolina.

Now if you pick up weight X, you have a sense of heavy or light. Insert fingers and thumb and swinging it takes more than merely swinging it in a ball sack.
However, swinging it in a ball sack gives you more of a feel.
Putting 2 fingers no thumb in a House ball, palming it, holding it, tells you something.
Doing the same using the other hand to support the ball then mimicking ball placement tells you something ...
If you can do the ball sack test and have a friend watch you to see how you look, that will tell you more, if you hum a tune, listen for stress.
If you cannot work with a coach, consider posting a video set for to analysis the Certified Coaches forum. There may be something in your game that is compromising the efficiency of your game.

I'm also a senior. Time, circumstance,perception and attitude can place limits on us.
If it's a matter of strength and conditioning and within your ability to improve, go for it.
Tom Kouros wrote that the swing can quadruple the weight of the ball, if true, then 1 pound becomes 4.

If you are healthy and your doctor approves, explore some appropriate conditioning. There are bowling conditioning routines. Keep in mind the different ranges of motion.
YouTube Askdrjo is a good resource, YouTube Athlean X is a good resource too.
Temper what you attempt with your own good sense and doctors advice.

Age, is a number, we are all different. I see some octogenarians do some very impressive things at the gym. I won't say how old I am, but I remember when Ike was president.
After flying a desk for decades, then retiring, after a few years, I started going to the gym 3 days a week. After 2.5 years I've made gains, hit some plateaus, lost body fat added muscle.
Better late, than never. Again, we are all different.
As Satchel Paige asked, how old would you be if you did not know how old you were.
Let your body tell you, not the calendar

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:02 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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davidjr113 wrote:
Interesting video, also a subject explored in detail, in the book “Bowling Beyond the Basics” by James Freeman & Ron Hatfield. It seems to me, having been forced by injury to drop in weight and now slowly going back up, the only way to know the best weight for you is trial and error. Both of these sources, anyway, debunk the long held idea that the heaviest you can comfortably roll, is the best option. Unfortunately trial and error can be a time consuming and expensive process.


IMHO - using the highest weight that you are comfortable with still stands.

Notwithstanding the interesting video above - the driving force of that is likely to sell lower weight balls.

If you have a high rev rate dropping weight doesn't cost you too much as you can make of some of it by increasing revs. If you are a straightie, dropping weight will cost you a few corners. The ball are so good these days that 15 lb will do almost as much as 16 lbs.

I wrote an opinion piece in BTM a few years ago (print edition) with cynical slant on ball weight and timing.

(IR) regardless of the video, performance drops off after weight goes under 14 lbs. Some of the physics guys here may confirm or refute that (?Eric)

A few years ago - I was told that both Norm Duke and WRW went to 16 lbs when there was heavy oil - an effort to kick out of few more 10 pins - for their straighter styles. Those guys show know :)

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