Very Odd Lane Effect and why did it happen?

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Re: Very Odd Lane Effect and why did it happen?

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And there it is, derailed again. Dude if you want to play straight with urethane then go knock yourself out. Go buy 5 purple urethanes and have them all prepped different so you can change balls instead of learning to bowl.

If you put your hand in the ball instead of pinching it and slinging it like a primate slings poo, you might have the ball speed/tilt/revs to be able to play a competitive straight line. But 10mph with no tilt and revs is not going to play straight for 90% of the environment out there.
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Nord wrote: The photo shows that the laser is actually all the way back to the foul line.
WRONG it doesn't, here is the side view of that same picture :
side view 5 degrees hits gutter.png
The 5° line hits the gutter at 42.6 feet, that's no where near the foul line.

Here is a chart posted on the same page showing Angle vs. distance for a line drawn from the gutter edge to the pocket. As you can see in this chart 5° hits the gutter long before it gets to the foul line. A 2° line doesn't even hit the foul line.
angle vs distance chart.png
Go back and look at the article and all the photos none show the laser going to the foul line.
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The laser does not show any hook, the ball goes straight to the pocket.
I never said the laser had a hook! I said the ball has too hook.
So it seems a straight shot can achieve that higher entry angle of 5 degrees.
Yes if you stood a couple lanes over and lofted it over the tops of the other lanes and few gutters
The Ray Wong video posted above shows that a shot rolled straight up 10 board on a typical 40 foot house shot has a margin of error of 3 boards.
He didn't say roll the ball straight up 10. (You could) It just says the ball as to exit the pattern at that point.
It can miss by half a board in and out by 3 boards and achieve an entry angle of between 4 and 6 degrees.
Yes but the ball has to hook once it gets down the lane to head toward the pocket to get on that entry angle.
So in my case, if I went back to one of my urethane balls and rolled it right up 10 and it went straight till the end of the oil pattern at the range finders and then hooked to the pocket, that would be about 4 degrees of entry angle.
Sounds close, But it doesn't have to be Urethane.

And look your saying the ball has to hook to do it. So if the ball has to hook to hit 4° then it has to hook to hit 5° a straight ball by its self can't do it.


A very good angle of attack on the pocket.
That is the old way I bowled that was considered not good on house shots.
What was considered not good?
Am I reading the chart wrong? I have attached a pic of it.
Also the Ray Wong video shows a spare zone at the arrows left of center arrow.
I never roll a ball over in that area for any any shot, let alone a spare.
he's just showing the general areas used, The individual bowler has to tailor this to their game. As he said this is just a guide and should be used with a coach.

For a right hand bowler moving left and going cross alley at right side spares is common, so you would be closer to that left area for those spares. As for left side spares I've seen a lot of pros not going cross alley for left side spare and shooting in that left area. (I've been trying shooting more left side spares going down the left side for awhile now. Mainly on the sport league.)

So I am not sure I buy into what Ray Wong is saying overall.
Well Rays video is pretty spot on and compares well to similar info. But it's up to you the reader/viewer to decide. What works for you.
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Nord, you are starting to become the older Krava. You are being given advice and information about bowling, stop deciding that your own ideas are correct and arguing with the users with more expertise.
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flibblesh wrote:Nord, you are starting to become the older Krava. You are being given advice and information about bowling, stop deciding that your own ideas are correct and arguing with the users with more expertise.
The problem is that we are all letting him do it. He posts his nonsense, and many respond. It's like having a cold; there's really nothing we can do to make it go away, but ignore it for 10 days and it leaves all by itself!
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RobMautner wrote:
The problem is that we are all letting him do it. He posts his nonsense, and many respond. It's like having a cold; there's really nothing we can do to make it go away, but ignore it for 10 days and it leaves all by itself!
Hmm, Nord seemed to me to be asking a lot of questions in an honest effort to learn and to understand. Perhaps just my opinion.
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Some folks have chosen to reply in an honest effort to help, teach, provide informational resources.
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We can try to help or ignore, but we should never ever discourage or disparage the inquisitive mind.
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John: I would be the last to discourage an honest pursuit of knowledge. The problem with Nord is that he asks the same thing over, and over, and over again, as many have commented on in the past. At some point we must ask ourselves whether his motive is the pursuit of knowledge, or a simple need to gain recognition ala Krava.
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RobMautner wrote:John: I would be the last to discourage an honest pursuit of knowledge. The problem with Nord is that he asks the same thing over, and over, and over again, as many have commented on in the past. At some point we must ask ourselves whether his motive is the pursuit of knowledge, or a simple need to gain recognition ala Krava.
Hi Rob, I appreciate your reply and understand your point.
I respect your knowledge and experience as well as that of many others here.
We are lucky to have you.

You offered the strategy of ignoring as an option. That's seems like a good option.
Close to a do no harm approach.

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Re: Very Odd Lane Effect and why did it happen?

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Thank you for explaining the laser photo, from the angle of that photo it seemed it was coming from the foul line, that is why I was confused.
But the side view shows it was cut off.

Entry angle has always been a confusing topic for me, but you guys have helped make it more clear to me.

This is what I got from your explanations, please correct me if I am wrong:

Pushing the ball further down the lane and further right before the ball moves to the pocket allows the ball to come into the pocket at a sharper angle.
A sharper angle into the pocket allows for more margin of error and higher carry percentage vs. a straighter shot with less entry angle.
This is why we want to hook the ball from the right to the left, to get more entry angle.
And this is also why you taught me to use resin balls and push them to the right so they can come back with more entry angle on the pocket.
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Re: Very Odd Lane Effect and why did it happen?

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RobMautner wrote:
The problem is that we are all letting him do it. He posts his nonsense, and many respond. It's like having a cold; there's really nothing we can do to make it go away, but ignore it for 10 days and it leaves all by itself!
It's also not the first site he's done this on. The same exact questions, the same exact responses . . . it sounds more like he wants validation than instruction.
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