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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:17 pm Post Number: #621 Post
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Quick unrelated question that has been on my mind since I joined the Kearny league.
There is a high average bowler in our league.
This guy is a beast of a man.
I would estimate him at 6'5" and 400 pounds.
He throws the ball 21 mph (measured at the pins) faster at spares.
He probably has over 500 rpms.
If his ball just barely touches the pocket he gets a strike from all the mixing.

Here is the weird part though that I have the question about:
He has extreme negative tilt.
By that I mean his ball if severely tipped over to the left (he is a right hander) with the right axis pointing up around 2pm and the left axis down around 8pm.
Have you ever seen anything like this before?

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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:26 pm Post Number: #622 Post
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Nord wrote:
Have you ever seen anything like this before?


Yes, its from sweeping the hand over the top of the ball at release.
Bad for ball motion.

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MegaMav wrote:

Yes, its from sweeping the hand over the top of the ball at release.
Bad for ball motion.


Nord, if you get a chance to see his body position at the foul line, 99.9 percent of the time, their sliding foot is pointing at least 45* or more to the foul line in addition to the above statement.

As to your performance, practicing on dry, then immediately competing on a too fresh of an oil pattern would not be the preferred method for warming up. Unless of course, you are just trying to warm up your body, not caring what kind of pin count you're getting, and turning your back on every shot.

If you looked up at the score to find out anything accept to see if the game was almost over, your practice was for naught.


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Nord wrote:
Ok, I am going to shake it off after a night's sleep and today at Parkway, I will focus carefully on posting shots, follow through and projection and trying to find recovery from the right and hold to the left even if I have to move so far left I am targeting center arrow or something.


I think your focus will continue to be boards 5-10 and making small (parallel or angular) adjustments. Keep things simple.

Use practice to explore straight up 5, 7, and 10. Look at the point (front to back) where the ball starts to hook. If one of those lines gets you to the pocket, great. Adjust feet/target to improve carry.

If rolling up 10 (11, 12, etc) goes too long, you've found your hold.

From there, you can find a little (or a LOT) more friction by moving feet/target right. If the ball lacks energy (ie. weak 10) rolling up 8, try a 2:1 left. Over time, it will start to feel more natural. Big misses right may fail to recover due to friction, not excess conditioner.

If you bring the purple Hammer, resist using it until you feel you need a last resort. Work on matching up with the Jackpot, by making good shots, and being observant and systematic with your adjustments.

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stevespo wrote:

I think your focus will continue to be boards 5-10 and making small (parallel or angular) adjustments. Keep things simple.

Use practice to explore straight up 5, 7, and 10. Look at the point (front to back) where the ball starts to hook. If one of those lines gets you to the pocket, great. Adjust feet/target to improve carry.

If rolling up 10 (11, 12, etc) goes too long, you've found your hold.

From there, you can find a little (or a LOT) more friction by moving feet/target right. If the ball lacks energy (ie. weak 10) rolling up 8, try a 2:1 left. Over time, it will start to feel more natural. Big misses right may fail to recover due to friction, not excess conditioner.

If you bring the purple Hammer, resist using it until you feel you need a last resort. Work on matching up with the Jackpot, by making good shots, and being observant and systematic with your adjustments.

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Thanks Steve, will put all this into action tonight.
Will try to watch the ball closely to see what it is doing.
Of course I need to actually be able to roll it properly.
Hopefully I can get warmed up and get my release back in order.
I will get there early and bowl two warmup games and focus on my technique.

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 Post subject: Re: Help Nord Score On House Shots
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Nord, when will you show video of the Jackpot?
Its your benchmark ball, it may be a good way to illustrate your nightly bowling diary on here.

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MegaMav wrote:
Yes, its from sweeping the hand over the top of the ball at release.

I had taken a video of him and just now looked at his release.
Yep, you called it, he is way under the ball and then sweeps right over the top going kinda right to left so the ball is laid down with that reverse tilt.

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Nord, if you get a chance to see his body position at the foul line, 99.9 percent of the time, their sliding foot is pointing at least 45* or more to the foul line.

You are correct as well, his plant foot is pointing to the right with toe around 2pm and heel at 8pm.

You guys know your stuff!

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One more question about friction on different areas of the lane.

Here is what I notice a lot for my ball:

If I go straight up 10, or even 11, and the ball is in the oil all the way up, then it has a strong reaction off the back and moves through the pins very well and carries most of the time.

But if I move my target right and go straight up say to 8 or 7, now, even though the ball goes into the pocket as well, it doesn't have the same hitting power and often leaves a flat 10.

I see this both with my Jackpot and urethane balls.

What does this mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Help Nord Score On House Shots
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It means you're knuckling it and dont have the power to get back to the pocket.
Your low tilt doesnt play well with high ratio conditions with a lot of friction.
Your hook zone is easily cut short before the ball achieves a good entry angle on the pocket.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:17 am Post Number: #630 Post
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Nord Parkway House Shot Report:

I got there early and sorted myself out with a couple of practice games.
The oil man had just oiled the lanes.
I made a shot up 7 with the Jackpot and it just slid the whole way.
When it came back on the ball return it shot to the end of the return sliding the whole way!
Oil!!! Tons of it.

I just focused on form and trying shots up 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
6 was hooking but left of that not much, at least on this lane which is not the lane we would be playing on.

When warmup started on our lanes my partner and I were stunned by what presented itself.
Zero hook on the right lane, but a fair amount of hook on the left lane.

I never saw any shots on either lane with the Jackpot in warm up that made me feel like I had found the friction or the line to the pocket.
My partner, who has a 219 average at Parkway was equally baffled with the lack of hook.

I saw some grab, sometimes up 7, so that is where I started.
I was accurate again and could hit my line but it was totally over/under.
Sometimes it would not come back and other times come up but hit weakly and other times go high.
Misses right either did, or did not come back.
Misses inside either did, or did not hold.
It was crazy!
My partner made a shot and it hooked.
Next time on the same lane he hit the same target perfectly and it did nothing.
This is the way it was in game 1.
Release it and pray something good might happen.
Nothing good did happen.

I closed game 1 with a 156 and my partner a 157!

The Jackpot was so unpreditable that I knew this pattern could not be solved with it.
I truly felt this was an under/over nightmare, mostly under, and the only hope I had was to over-power the condition.
I went to my Purple that I had just got back from the pro shop.
I had them put a deep cut cross track finish on it with a new 500 grit Mirka pad.
I started on the very oily right lane.
I put right foot on 10 and rolled right up 10 nice and easy making sure the ball really rolled off my fingers to get an early heavy roll.
The Purple crushed the pocket.

On the left lane I moved my foot a board left but kept the target the same.
This lane was drier.
I had to make some adjustments throughout the game, but I was in the pocket.
On the left lane misses right came back and even light hits struck.
On the right lane only a little miss right would come back, but a 1 1/2 board miss left would sit and strike.

On the left lane I had about 2 boards right and one board left of miss room.
On the right I had 1 board miss right and 1 1/2 boards miss room left.
I just kept the ball slow and easy and it was gold.
I made sure I stayed between 10 and 11 mph on the meter.
I was looking very good in game 2 but got a dumb split in the 10th on the left hooking lane.
Closed with a 185 but could have been higher.

Meanwhile my partner found something with his Code Red and bowled a 259!

Game 3 my shot got even better and my timing and accuracy improved.
I moved another board left with my foot on the left lane, but stayed put on the right lane.
No problem.
Purple was gold again.
Total control and heavy rolling power.
Closed with a 214 clean game.
My partner's shot disappeared and he closed with a 183.

Now I know you guys told me, resist the urge to go to the Purple, but the lanes were so crazy and the Jackpot was so super twitchy, I could find no line to the pocket with it.
Twitchy is not really the right word, because that implies it had moments of strong reaction, but really it had no strong reaction.
It just kinda got down there and tried to make a move and couldn't and at other times it just did nothing.
I had to go to something that I know would overcome this condition and allow me to just roll it to the pocket.

Attached is my score sheet so you can see how things played out.
What could I have done?
I simply could not figure out what to do with the Jackpot, it just did not do the same thing twice on this condition.
But my partners Code Red was also all over the place and the other team had similar issues with their reactive balls.
Sometimes they would never come back and other times they would over hook and other times they hit the pocket correctly.

We split 2 and 2 with them.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Nord Score On House Shots
 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:31 am Post Number: #631 Post
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Again Nord, where is the Gladiator in all of this?
It would have been the perfect situation to use it when everything is super tight.
That ball transitions quick, would have been my pick.

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Again Nord, where is the Gladiator in all of this?
It would have been the perfect situation to use it when everything is super tight.
That ball transitions quick, would have been my pick.

I thought you said "ditch the Gladiator" or "reserve it for situations where you're very tight to the pocket on long oil."
So I ditched it by putting it back in its box and forgetting about it.
I assumed you thought it was pretty useless with the strong layout, so I thought that ball was no longer in play for me.

On whatever pattern Parkway had tonight, the Jackpot just was not rolling up.
It is important to remember, at Parkway, before league starts, they run the machine only 2/3s up the lane and re-oil over the oil from open play.
They do not strip the lane, they just oil right over whatever crap is left from open play.
So the backends are left as is, carry down, dry, whatever is there, is left there.

Only Surf and Kearny strip and oil before league starts.

It seems to me the Jackpot depends on there being some clean backends and sides to get its bump.
Since the Jackpot was not moving tonight, I only had my Purple to go to.
Since the Purple is such a strong urethane to start with, at 500 grit it was very strong and just rolled through the mess and was not bothered by it.

If you want me to focus on reactive, I think I need a very strong reactive as a backup to the Jackpot, that will also be able to roll through a mess and make a move and not just sit there laboring.

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Nord, bowling in three different houses is your nemesis. The reality of the situation, even if all three centers were located side, by side, by side, were all oiled the same way, with the same machine, the environmental characteristics of each would still be totally different. Being prepared for all things / anything is going to be a prerequisite to your regular bowling routine.

How you go about your ball selection is critical to your score potential. Recently, you experienced your best night ever. It was with a resin ball. The question, should that now be the first ball out of your bag? Maybe. But, from your previous experience with resin, you'll have to make a relatively quick decision on whether it is going work or not. From that perspective, I would disagree with others on the use of urethane. Use it. It might not hit quite as hard, but it will help you control the lane. Many times, that's all a bowler needs.

There is another element that you are battling, trying to live up to your all time highest score. Let it go. It can be pretty much guaranteed, when you rolled that score, you were simply executing the shot. Your thought process was clean and void of predetermination.

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TomaHawk wrote:
Nord, bowling in three different houses is your nemesis. The reality of the situation, even if all three centers were located side, by side, by side, were all oiled the same way, with the same machine, the environmental characteristics of each would still be totally different. Being prepared for all things / anything is going to be a prerequisite to your regular bowling routine.

How you go about your ball selection is critical to your score potential. Recently, you experienced your best night ever. It was with a resin ball. The question, should that now be the first ball out of your bag? Maybe. But, from your previous experience with resin, you'll have to make a relatively quick decision on whether it is going work or not. From that perspective, I would disagree with others on the use of urethane. Use it. It might not hit quite as hard, but it will help you control the lane. Many times, that's all a bowler needs.

There is another element that you are battling, trying to live up to your all time highest score. Let it go. It can be pretty much guaranteed, when you rolled that score, you were simply executing the shot. Your thought process was clean and void of predetermination.

Bowl as you would play tennis, one shot at a time.

Thank you.
I will keep the challenge of three houses in mind.
What keeps coming up when things are going wrong is "no hook" or "poor hook."
It is almost always not getting a strong, smooth reaction rather than so dry I can't keep the ball on the lane.

So in my opinion, the first and most important ball that should be in my arsenal is a super strong ball that will hook through anything.
This will be used if I run into those odd conditions with no real defined reaction or just a flood of oil.
Something smooth and rolly that can blend out or roll through a mess.

Second should be my benchmark, the ball I want to use that I can score the highest with.
The Jackpot has very high score potential for me, but so far it has been very condition specific.
It needs clean sides and backend and just enough oil to get it to the breakpoint.
If the lanes are behaving, then the Jackpot offers high score potential.

Third should be a ball in case the lanes are fried and the strong ball and Jackpot are dying out.
This would be a ball that would work well on a dry condition and provide control of the pocket and good retention of energy on a dry lane.

I think with these three I have a chance to cover most of the bases.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:43 pm Post Number: #635 Post
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It’s the Indian not the arrow. You have your reasons for not modifying your release to give yourself options. There are 39 boards on a lane and you choose to only play 5 of them. You never say I tried 3 at the arrows to 8-9 at the break point or swing it from 12-8, everything is straight up. You’ll need 10 balls if you don’t learn to add some diversity to your game. You claim to enjoy Norm and Walter for their “straighter” game. But they are 2 of the most crafty bowlers who talk about different hand positions and speed changes/control, hell WRW has added 2-handed delivery to his game. If you’re not gonna change delivery, move around the lane to see if something else works or at least get to a part where you leave single pin spares. A 200 game is only a couple of strikes so grind it out if you have to. There is no single ball that will that will allow you to stay right on all conditions.

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Nord wrote:
Thank you.
I will keep the challenge of three houses in mind.
What keeps coming up when things are going wrong is "no hook" or "poor hook."
It is almost always not getting a strong, smooth reaction rather than so dry I can't keep the ball on the lane.

So in my opinion, the first and most important ball that should be in my arsenal is a super strong ball that will hook through anything.
This will be used if I run into those odd conditions with no real defined reaction or just a flood of oil.
Something smooth and rolly that can blend out or roll through a mess.

Second should be my benchmark, the ball I want to use that I can score the highest with.
The Jackpot has very high score potential for me, but so far it has been very condition specific.
It needs clean sides and backend and just enough oil to get it to the breakpoint.
If the lanes are behaving, then the Jackpot offers high score potential.

Third should be a ball in case the lanes are fried and the strong ball and Jackpot are dying out.
This would be a ball that would work well on a dry condition and provide control of the pocket and good retention of energy on a dry lane.

I think with these three I have a chance to cover most of the bases.
I see 44boyd beat me to the punch, but I had this typed so i will post anyway.

Just my 2 cents Nord, but I think you are a line bowler. going straight up the boards gives you a line from your mark up the lane to your breakpoint and an easy visuallization of the roll into the pocket. Problem is that you cannot carry enough balls to stay on 1 board during transitions. Once you move too far from seeing that line, you panick and lose what feels natural. You can pretty much make any ball work once you can cross boards instead of straight down them. When you say that you moved left and the ball skated so you moved right and the ball hooked uncontrollably, you are describing your need to go up the boards. I don't think you are fighting the idea of moving feet left and target right. I think you are having a problem with visuallizing your line when you try this. In practice, I would put some effort into this. You might have to think outside the box. Put on some clear glasses or light colored dark glasses and tape the lenses in such a way that you can only see the line you are rolling and take a ball which hooks too much and move left and try to get compfortable crossing boards with a ball which hooks (teaching your brain to see the ball go accross boards and not with them. Don't worry about score. Move around and throw every ball standing on different boards and hitting different areas until you feel like you can execute (when you can keep the ball in the line of sight from anywhere and visuallize ball path). Just examples but I think once you think outside the box everything else will fall into place.


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I see 44boyd beat me to the punch, but I had this typed so i will post anyway.

Just my 2 cents Nord, but I think you are a line bowler. going straight up the boards gives you a line from your mark up the lane to your breakpoint and an easy visualization of the roll into the pocket. Problem is that you cannot carry enough balls to stay on 1 board during transitions. Once you move too far from seeing that line, you panic and lose what feels natural. You can pretty much make any ball work once you can cross boards instead of straight down them. When you say that you moved left and the ball skated so you moved right and the ball hooked uncontrollably, you are describing your need to go up the boards. I don't think you are fighting the idea of moving feet left and target right. I think you are having a problem with visualizing your line when you try this. In practice, I would put some effort into this. You might have to think outside the box. Put on some clear glasses or light colored dark glasses and tape the lenses in such a way that you can only see the line you are rolling and take a ball which hooks too much and move left and try to get comfortable crossing boards with a ball which hooks (teaching your brain to see the ball go across boards and not with them. Don't worry about score. Move around and throw every ball standing on different boards and hitting different areas until you feel like you can execute (when you can keep the ball in the line of sight from anywhere and visualize ball path). Just examples but I think once you think outside the box everything else will fall into place.

Thanks for the advice.
Yesterday at Parkway, when the Jackpot was not making a move and was just sliding down the lane right of second arrow, I thought that maybe it was not too much oil, but too much friction preventing the Jackpot from reacting.
So I tried a few frames moving left to see what would happen.
I threw one straight up second arrow and the Jackpot never hooked, is slid all the way.
Then I moved left and targeted 13 to 10 to see if keeping the ball in the oil would allow it to hook.
The Jackpot just slid right and never came back.
So in this case, I at least experimented "a little" with trying a left to right action before I went to my Purple.
As MegaMav pointed out, the Gladiator might have been a good ball to try.
It is an asymmetric that responds very fast to friction and is pretty angular.
I might have been able to move left with it, or maybe it would have been fine right of second arrow where the Jackpot was not hooking.

If you watch my Gladiator video you can see how it has a quick response and push back.
Look at my two shots starting at the 1:00 mark where I move left and go around 14-10 and you will see the Gladiator has no problem rolling in the oil the whole way.

I am still learning and appreciate it when you offer me optional strategies to think about.


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Even archers use different arrows for different tasks:

The Different Types of Arrows. Arrow Spine. Arrow spine is the word that describes the stiffness of an arrow. Fletchings. Most fletchings are plastic vanes but they can also be made from feathers. Inserts, nocks, and arrow tips. Balance. Carbon Arrows. Aluminum arrows. Wood arrows. Fiberglass arrows. Etc, etc, etc......

What people are having a hard time grasping, Nord's line of attack should be, and is, far different from a person who rotates the ball. Nord's ball is going end over end all the way down the lane. There is no problem in that. But, it is imperative that he gets the right ball in has hand. a ball that will allow him to stay as far to the right as possible. Moving left for Nord is like throwing a leaf in the wind, it would get pushed around by the elements. There is not enough rotation to create the necessary amount of friction to keep the ball from squirting to the right. Then, when squaring up, the ball is already rolling early, it's just dives on the nose.

Left is not the ideal place for Nord to play.

One thing is certain, Nord hardly ever knows what he is walking into. Bowling lanes all look the same, we know they are not. What if, every time a professional baseball pitcher walked out onto the mound, the mound was further from the plate, higher one day, lower the next. At least the pitcher can get a visual of the challenge he is presented with. Still, is would have a tremendous effect on their ability to pitch confidently.

Outside of a really good professional bowler, not many people can make the necessary adjustments to bowl efficiently on a day in and day out basis in a different house three times a week. Nord needs to minimize his moves on the lanes, maximize his equipment, and master his own area of the lane.


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Even archers use different arrows for different tasks:

The Different Types of Arrows. Arrow Spine. Arrow spine is the word that describes the stiffness of an arrow. Fletchings. Most fletchings are plastic vanes but they can also be made from feathers. Inserts, nocks, and arrow tips. Balance. Carbon Arrows. Aluminum arrows. Wood arrows. Fiberglass arrows. Etc, etc, etc......

What people are having a hard time grasping, Nord's line of attack should be, and is, far different from a person who rotates the ball. Nord's ball is going end over end all the way down the lane. There is no problem in that. But, it is imperative that he gets the right ball in has hand. a ball that will allow him to stay as far to the right as possible. Moving left for Nord is like throwing a leaf in the wind, it would get pushed around by the elements. There is not enough rotation to create the necessary amount of friction to keep the ball from squirting to the right. Then, when squaring up, the ball is already rolling early, it's just dives on the nose.

Left is not the ideal place for Nord to play.

One thing is certain, Nord hardly ever knows what he is walking into. Bowling lanes all look the same, we know they are not. What if, every time a professional baseball pitcher walked out onto the mound, the mound was further from the plate, higher one day, lower the next. At least the pitcher can get a visual of the challenge he is presented with. Still, is would have a tremendous effect on their ability to pitch confidently.

Outside of a really good professional bowler, not many people can make the necessary adjustments to bowl efficiently on a day in and day out basis in a different house three times a week. Nord needs to minimize his moves on the lanes, maximize his equipment, and master his own area of the lane.


Nord rotates the ball at least 90*, what he doenst have is tilt.
It is NOT end over end (low rotation).
If you dont move, especially with zero tilt, you're dead in the modern game of high oil absorption.
Not moving on the lane got him a 175 average. We want more, pretty sure he does too.

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...Nord's line of attack should be, and is, far different from a person who rotates the ball...it is imperative that he gets the right ball in his hand...a ball that will allow him to stay as far to the right as possible.

Left is not the ideal place for Nord to play.

Nord needs to minimize his moves on the lanes, maximize his equipment, and master his own area of the lane.

What does this mean as far as equipment type and lane play strategy then?

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