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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by hevaga » May 6th, 2018, 9:17 pm

Thank you very much for your soon response (elgavachon).
A few months ago I finished a study of the market that I attend. Among other results, information tells me that the average time in which my clients buy a new ball is 22 months. Of course that goes from the player who buys their preferred brand new ball, to the one who buys a ball every 5 years.
If we already know that the specifications have changed, why wait until 01/01/20? This surely will bring problems with customers. We will make them incur into expenses that could have been avoided, and in addition, when we plug the balance hole in 2020, they will have a different ball reaction, which will surely make us to plug completely the ball and make a new layout... and, more expenses for the customer.
In my opinion, both specifications must coexist from now on. And the strategy would be to define along with the client which one he prefers, explaining to him the consequences of one and another.
Balls with balance hole may not exceed the current specification static weights and balls without balance hole may be within the new specification.
After all, what will change in the laws of Physics in 20 months?
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by soupy1957 » May 7th, 2018, 8:20 am

The best part about all this; the saving grace; is that you don’t have to do ANYTHING to change your ball(s), if all you do is recreational bowling!! No Alley is going to turn you away because your ball(s) doesn’t meet competition standards!
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 2:04 pm

On this and many other fora/discussions - everyone was screaming

USBC do SOMETHING!

The game is getting out of hand.

Now that they have done something (remains to be seen what overall effect it would have)

the overwhelming response is negative!

To say, I am flummoxed is an understatement.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 2:47 pm

I know that I am late to the discussion (blame it on only 24 hours in a day)

but my "layman's" opinion is the more knowledgeable and nuanced bowlers have made most out of the placement of balance holes.

The first step in 'taming' this was to take away the extra hole from two handers.
Belmo did strange things with the ball with a thumb hole and weight hole.

Now it is on to one handers.

i think good bowlers would still be good bowlers but the optimization of the balance hole was done by the most informed and high level bowlers

Personally, none of my balls have a weight hold as every now and then I like to take out the thumb and fool around two handed - so I keep them that way to be legal
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by MegaMav » May 7th, 2018, 2:58 pm

Dax wrote:I like to take out the thumb and fool around two handed - so I keep them that way to be legal
Soon, that will not be legal as the new rules state that each gripping hole must be used on each delivery.
It would be a balance hole otherwise.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by flibblesh » May 7th, 2018, 3:15 pm

Dax wrote: The first step in 'taming' this was to take away the extra hole from two handers.
Belmo did strange things with the ball with a thumb hole and weight hole.
No he didn't, he's been on the record stating that he doesn't use weight holes, and has a faux thumb hole in the same spot on all of his balls (Obviously he won't any more)

https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/8489" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Belmonte said he uses no funky drillings.

“I use my own idea already — a standard hole in the exact same location always,” he said. “Because it's the fairest way to do it. I’ve been doing this for 5 years. Any ball a rep gives me with an odd thumb hole location I do not use.”
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 3:19 pm

MegaMav wrote:
Soon, that will not be legal as the new rules state that each gripping hole must be used on each delivery.
It would be a balance hole otherwise.
I am aware.

Now I have get two plastic balls for my son for 10 pin (he is a two handed) - as sometimes he shoots it two handed and sometimes one handed - if the lanes are scorched or the ball return is far up.

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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 3:23 pm

flibblesh wrote:
No he didn't, he's been on the record stating that he doesn't use weight holes, and has a faux thumb hole in the same spot on all of his balls (Obviously he won't any more)

https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/8489" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Belmonte said he uses no funky drillings.

“I use my own idea already — a standard hole in the exact same location always,” he said. “Because it's the fairest way to do it. I’ve been doing this for 5 years. Any ball a rep gives me with an odd thumb hole location I do not use.”
Thanks for the info.

I guess the combinations of a faux thumb and a weight hole was "limitless' - so that one is gone.

and now the balance hole for all players.

This might take away some of the mumbo jumbo from some pro shops as it is getting simpler
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 3:33 pm

flibblesh wrote: PAP: Smear

Just saw that!

Funny! :D :D :D

I wonder if Dr Georgios Nikolaou Papanikolaou would find that as a 'smear' on his name ;)
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Post by TonyPR » May 7th, 2018, 4:43 pm

I don’t think we need to dumb down bowling so non nerds can understand it, I and others here are more than willing to teach, for free, all the “mumbo jumbo” pro shops talk when explaining spherical geometric coordinates and the physics of ball motion... now, do people want to learn or are they just comfortable with others thinking and making decisions for them? That is the question...

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Post by Dax » May 7th, 2018, 5:53 pm

TonyPR wrote:I don’t think we need to dumb down bowling so non nerds can understand it, I and others here are more than willing to teach, for free, all the “mumbo jumbo” pro shops talk when explaining spherical geometric coordinates and the physics of ball motion... now, do people want to learn or are they just comfortable with others thinking and making decisions for them? That is the question...
Jargon is the essential ingredient for for the mystical magician to convey his/her misinformation making it out of reach for others

a car salesman, a real estate agent or a pro shop operator....

Thanks for the offer to help.

i am here to learn.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by TonyPR » May 7th, 2018, 6:42 pm

Yea, I agree the words can sound to technical at the beginning, that’s what brought me to BowlingChat and learn I did so you came to the right place. We have a glossary in the wiki or please ask any questions you have even if you think they are too basic, the worst question is the one that isn’t asked.

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Post by Nord » May 7th, 2018, 7:34 pm

TonyPR wrote:Yea, I agree the words can sound to technical at the beginning, that’s what brought me to BowlingChat and learn I did so you came to the right place. We have a glossary in the wiki or please ask any questions you have even if you think they are too basic, the worst question is the one that isn’t asked.
I am learning the jargon and that is fine, but, when TV announcers (just a bowler they put a mic in front of) use it during matches, it alienates non-bowlers and prevents new bowlers from understanding what is happening in a match.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by snick » May 7th, 2018, 9:01 pm

If 3oz static weight has been deemed to be more or less neutral to ball motion (or, at the very least, less significant than a balance hole), why not change that rule immediately? This would mitigate the need for balance holes in asymms with offset CG and certain layouts.

ie: If I sell an offset asymm tomorrow, it would be nice if did not have to drill a superfluous balance hole that will subsequently have to be filled.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by MeNoRevs » May 7th, 2018, 9:57 pm

snick wrote:If 3oz static weight has been deemed to be more or less neutral to ball motion (or, at the very least, less significant than a balance hole), why not change that rule immediately? This would mitigate the need for balance holes in asymms with offset CG and certain layouts.

ie: If I sell an offset asymm tomorrow, it would be nice if did not have to drill a superfluous balance hole that will subsequently have to be filled.
Nationals. I don't think it would be wise to change a rule once a major tournament started.

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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

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snick wrote:If I sell an offset asymm tomorrow, it would be nice if did not have to drill a superfluous balance hole that will subsequently have to be filled.


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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by pocket710guy » May 9th, 2018, 8:41 pm

MegaMav wrote:
I thought testing was voluntary for this new test, I guess not.

I think the high end balls we see now are about as big as they're going to get for a while, unless they can find a way to generate more friction without the oil absorption. I'd bet thats already in the works. I wonder if we'll see epoxy balls again in the future.
When i saw the new rules I basically said to my bowling buddies " Do they want us to go back to using just plastic and urethane because of the pattern integrity or are proprietors complaining because of the cost of lane conditioner? " My driller says we have to plug all our balls by 2020 but the USBC says all balls will be grandfathered? Who's right?

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Post by imagonman » May 9th, 2018, 9:30 pm

I can't the lemmings here that are just going along with this BS!
Did we forget this...........


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Post by bowl1820 » May 9th, 2018, 9:33 pm

pocket710guy wrote: My driller says we have to plug all our balls by 2020 but the USBC says all balls will be grandfathered? Who's right?

Formerly Qman.
All the current balls are grandfathered in regard to oil absorption.

Weight holes have to be plugged between Janurary 1, 2020 -August 1, 2020

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) on the new specifications.
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Re: USBC New Ball Specs

Post by guruU2 » May 9th, 2018, 10:39 pm

imagonman wrote:Did we forget this...........
It comes down to whose research are you to believe?

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Where is the former Back Belt USBC researcher, Nikki, when we need her?

All this is, is an exercise in real politic to justify large salaries and large expense accounts.

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