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Re: follow through left of head?

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It really is simple, if a person has a lot of spinal tilt and their sliding foot is not pointing toward the target, the bowler's arm will cross their body.
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Re: follow through left of head?

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Ron Clifton wrote:You guys are making this way too complicated. Follow-throughs go to the left of the head because the fingers and hand go the direction the ball rotates, not the direction the ball travels. IF your followthrough goes the direction the ball travels you will tend to tilt the axis up and lower the rev rate. Someone like Ciminelli will often go past their head because he often uses a lot of axis rotation and he doesn't re-direct his hand back to the left as his hand travels up. The more axis rotation applied to the ball the more the hand will follow in that direction.

If you watch someone like Chris Barnes his followthrough goes in front of his face, and he redirects it back to the right enough on the way up not to smack himself in the face. Barnes is often throwing less than 45 degrees of axis rotation so his follow-through will not be as far left.

To demonstrate this to yourself lay your ball down on the floor with just your fingers in the ball. Lay your palm over the thumbhole and rotate the ball so if your fingers roll the ball straight up the ball will spin at a 45 degree or more angle to the foul line. You will see if you pull your fingers straight up with the pads your hand will have to follow in that same direction. If from that position you try to make your hand go down the lane you will see that you are forcing your fingers on the side of the holes and that will make the ball tilt up. I guess the clearest example would be to move your finger position all the way on the side of the ball so that you would roll it with 90 degrees of axis rotation. Your hand must go dead left as your fingers rotate the ball upward.


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Just to piggy back on what Ron said, its not about how the foot slides or any of that foolishness.

Here is a slow mo of Wes Malot throwing the ball. the arm swing goes in the direction of the rotation of the fingers

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Re: follow through left of head?

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MeNoRevs wrote:
Just to piggy back on what Ron said, its not about how the foot slides or any of that foolishness.

Here is a slow mo of Wes Malot throwing the ball. the arm swing goes in the direction of the rotation of the fingers
Wes is 6'5" with a tremendous amount of forward body lean. Also, for his size, his shoulders are fairly narrow. Bad example.

If we took a bushel basket, placed it 60 feet away and tried to put an apple in it, making it stick, how would that release look? Everything would be straight forward, the hand would be very soft. We wouldn't be tilted or bent over at the waist either. Pete Weber is one of the few bowlers who could actually be proficient at landing an apple in the basket.

I have personally witnessed the "cross your body" release technique successfully implemented by several young bowlers in our area. Their foot is pointing toward the wall at approximately a 30 - 45* angle. They knock down a lot of pins. So, it's not a bad technique. Because it is the style that is universally being taught, we'll never see another Pete Weber again.
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So in a video of lowlights where he is falling off his shots his foot points more towards the left. The only one I saw that I would say it facing the wall was the first shot from 2009. But, he seems to have calmed his delivery a lot in the last handful of years. All I have seen of him recently he is much more under control and balanced at the line. His foot is facing forward and his follow through is still on the other side of his head.
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Ron Clifton wrote:You guys are making this way too complicated. Follow-throughs go to the left of the head because the fingers and hand go the direction the ball rotates, not the direction the ball travels. IF your followthrough goes the direction the ball travels you will tend to tilt the axis up and lower the rev rate. Someone like Ciminelli will often go past their head because he often uses a lot of axis rotation and he doesn't re-direct his hand back to the left as his hand travels up. The more axis rotation applied to the ball the more the hand will follow in that direction.

If you watch someone like Chris Barnes his followthrough goes in front of his face, and he redirects it back to the right enough on the way up not to smack himself in the face. Barnes is often throwing less than 45 degrees of axis rotation so his follow-through will not be as far left.

To demonstrate this to yourself lay your ball down on the floor with just your fingers in the ball. Lay your palm over the thumbhole and rotate the ball so if your fingers roll the ball straight up the ball will spin at a 45 degree or more angle to the foul line. You will see if you pull your fingers straight up with the pads your hand will have to follow in that same direction. If from that position you try to make your hand go down the lane you will see that you are forcing your fingers on the side of the holes and that will make the ball tilt up. I guess the clearest example would be to move your finger position all the way on the side of the ball so that you would roll it with 90 degrees of axis rotation. Your hand must go dead left as your fingers rotate the ball upward.


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Thanks for the input Ron, always enjoyed your work.

What about Pete Weber? He has super high rotation and doesn't cross his body with his follow through?
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Re: follow through left of head?

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Remember that I said that if your hand does not go toward the left (right handed) your rev rate will be lower. Peter Weber does not have anywhere near the rev rate that the guys have whose releases go toward their face. Pete tries to keep his hit very soft, especially when he is using high axis rotation so the ball will not go sideways on the back-end. Pete also releases his ball a little later in the swing than the other bowlers which diminishes the leftward motion a little as well.

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