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 Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:48 am Post Number: #1 Post
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Hello Guys

I’ve been reading articles from Mr. Slowinski and watched all the youtube videos I could find on the topic „3 point targeting with quiet eye“.

There’s a few things I don’t quite understand about the targeting technique, maybe you guys can elaborate.

In every article, the initial line of sight is straight from slide point through your chosen target through the exit point, towards the focal point. How to determine the exit point with the PL-31 rule is clear as well.
I gave it a try and it seemed to work pretty good, for strikes and for spares. Since I usually can't play up the boards, I was using a plastic ball for strikes so I can get a feel for the targeting technique.
So far, so good.

Now I don’t know how to apply that concept for deeper lines. Not talking about adjustments as the lanes progress, but rather the initial setup or how to find a strike line that is not straight up the boards in the first place.

Here’s my problems:

Let’s assume the exit point with the most room for error is the 8 board.


1.) How do I even choose my visual target in the first place? There’s hundreds of ways to get to the exit point at board 8.

2.) How do the focal points work with any line other than straight up the boards? If I play 29 Slide -> 22 arrows -> 8 exit point, then I can’t get a straight visual line towards the pins as focal point. Do I need to shift my focal point outside the lane?
If my assumption is correct, I feel like this system is much less usable if you play deeper lines or any line other than straight up the boards. Focusing one out of 5 focal points at the pins is allright, but focusing a point that size outside the lanes, without any reference like pins seems very hard and not very practical since it might differ from lane to lane.


Obviously, I seem to be missing something to truly understand the concept. I’d appreciate any help, as I’m having severe problems lining up for my shots at the moment. And because of that, I’ve noticed a negative impact on my physical game as well (body angle and swing plane related)


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 Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:07 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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Hello, you can choose anything as your visual target, as long as it is something precise, maybe the right edge of the gutter or a number on the next lane, here´s a video that could help you understand how some pros set their targets, look at minute 10:57, how Mike Fagan complains because the camera guy is in his target line and doesn´t stop moving and distracting him.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:33 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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A bowler must adapt to the area of the lane that allows the proper entry angle into the pocket and visualizing the ball path is a part of the process. Let's call it mental imagery and feel, all sporting type activities require it. Executing the process should not be considered difficult.

Think of it like shooting billiards. We are going to look at the cue ball, to the object ball, through to the pocket. In bowling, we look through the front target, to the middle of the lane, through to the pocket. And just like a great billiard player, a bowler wants to keep their mind calm.


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 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:33 pm Post Number: #4 Post
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Think of it like shooting billiards. We are going to look at the cue ball, to the object ball, through to the pocket. In bowling, we look through the front target, to the middle of the lane, through to the pocket. And just like a great billiard player, a bowler wants to keep their mind calm.


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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:23 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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I started using Joe's 3-point targeting system last year in earnest. I have found it vey helpful, but there is slight modification that occured recently: there is no need to detail the focal point to a single board at the pins, but rather the pin itself as the focal point. Really, the is no difference between 1-3" at 60 feet. At 15' absolutely, but not at 60'.

I would be classified as a power tweener (375 rev, 18Mph at the hand), and I like to play the deeper lines if I can. I can sympathize with your plight. I have had situations where my launch angle was so great that I've moved my focal point to the next lane when neccessary. Understand that as far as points go, the neccesity of detail becomes less the further out you go.

For Example: Pattern length is 40', PL-31 puts the end of pattern spot at 9. But its a but burned up or lighter volume, so your sliding on 35 with a laydown on 28 (example). That puts you at these points:

Laydown - 28
Target - 21
Exit Point - 9
Focal - (-1)

That puts your Focal just into the right gutter (for RH). So your Focal can be a bit less exact, while the Exit Point should be more exact (Slowinski says within a board either direction), and your Target should be VERY exact, to the board.

Hope that clears it up a bit.


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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:02 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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Mikepetrosky wrote:
That puts you at these points:

Laydown - 28
Target - 21
Exit Point - 9
Focal - (-1)

That puts your Focal just into the right gutter (for RH). So your Focal can be a bit less exact, while the Exit Point should be more exact (Slowinski says within a board either direction), and your Target should be VERY exact, to the board.


This is exactly what I'm not getting.
If I have laydown 28, target 21, exit point 9 and focal -1 how am I supposed to draw a straight line through all these points? It doesn't add up.

I'm clearly understanding something wrong here.


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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:40 pm Post Number: #7 Post
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The way I understand the 3 point targeting system is it's giving you a baseline starting position on the approach and ball path for any particular pattern.

But what your wanting to do is ignore that starting position and start somewhere else, which is what is causing the problem.

Part of What I think your leaving out is the "Shift" adjustment. This shift is what I think would compensate for your style of bowling.

Once you find the starting baseline, your supposed to roll a ball along that intended target path. If the ball doesn't hit the pocket, your supposed to make an adjustment or “Shift” (example: 2:1, 3:2 etc) until you get the pocket.

I may not have explained that well, You should read the Kegel article:
Understanding 3 Point Targeting with Quiet Eye in 7 Easy Steps. By Rick Wiltse

http://www.kegel.net/inside-line/2016/3/14/0r9ujejc03p8bsbko5ennrk4tpicv0

3-Point Targeting: Teen Masters Skill Experience video #7 in a series of 10 from the experts at the Kegel Training Center.
With Rick Wiltse


Something to note also is that Slowinski in one of his articles about the system, said you are not limited to just using the pins on your lane as a focal point. You can use pins on the lanes next to you or the edge of the masking unit etc..

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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:33 pm Post Number: #8 Post
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The line is in your mind.

Has anyone ever thrown a curve with a baseball? Played golf? Shot a basketball? Played horseshoes?

Honestly, it's difficult to understand how bowling can be so much more complicated than any other sport.


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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:03 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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Bruhls wrote:
Obviously, I seem to be missing something to truly understand the concept.


I see this as a system for lining up your eyes and body to your target, becoming more consistent with footwork, launch angles, and projecting the ball towards a point down lane. It helps me to focus.

Let's assume the exit point is PL-31 at the PL. Now you need to pick another point for a straight line and then interpolate/extrapolate to get the other two.

If you want to target 4th arrow, fine - that is going to be your target. Connect the dots back to the foul line and this is where you stand/slide and release (adjusting for drift, etc). Extend the line past the exit point and you have the focal point, which might be a pin or it might not be.

If you want to stand on 35, that is your slide/release point. Your target has not yet been determined.
Extend 35 to the exit, and find the closest board at the arrows, which becomes your target. Extend the line past the exit and you have the focal point.

Given any two points, you just solve for the other two. From there you will have to adjust because where you think you want to slide (or target) may not give you the shape or result you're after. PL-31 may not be the exit point that works for you on that particular pattern. It's just a place to start!

Also remember that the focal point is not limited to the pins. It might be the right gutter, the cap, the camera, or something else entirely. It's just something to focus on down lane to get your body, eyes, and mind to work together to project through the target and improve accuracy and consistency.

At least that is how I approach it.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:00 pm Post Number: #10 Post
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Thanks everyone for your insights on that topic.

So basically it's like I assumed in the opening post.
For deeper lines I have to adjust the focal points to the outside of the pindeck, maybe even outside the lane.

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The way I understand the 3 point targeting system is it's giving you a baseline starting position on the approach and ball path for any particular pattern.

But what your wanting to do is ignore that starting position and start somewhere else, which is what is causing the problem.

Part of What I think your leaving out is the "Shift" adjustment. This shift is what I think would compensate for your style of bowling.


That's what I was having problems with. I got that the straight line is a starting point and there's adjustments to be made. But I see no reason to start out at the track area, targeting 2nd arrow when I know that the straightest line I'll be able to play for my shot is fourth arrow and inside. So I was looking for a quicker way to dial in my shot using the 3pt system.

user Stevespo basically said how it should be done.
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Given any two points, you just solve for the other two. From there you will have to adjust because where you think you want to slide (or target) may not give you the shape or result you're after.


I will try to incorporate all your suggestions into my next training sessions, thanks to you all.


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 Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:59 pm Post Number: #11 Post
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Although few if any can split hairs on the land, the adage "aim small, miss small" might be helpful. I think that focusing on a zone of a pin, can be beneficial.
Focusing on an area of a pin is what one does to convert splits and such.
Just an opinion, nothing more.
Different conditions narrow the sweet spot or forgiveness zone.

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