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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:54 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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Pop quiz.Mo you can answer,but only one part.Then if the
pop quiz is not completed by 9pm tonight,then Mo,you can
finish the quiz for everyone.
Taking the lane type,the topography,the age of the lanes
out of the equation,what is the most important part of the
oil pattern.And what does each help dictate.

Oiling machine type
The lane oil
Cleaners used
Crosswise blend of the oil
Lenghtwise taper-Larger/Smaller
Total volume of oil.The units and ratios
Length of the pattern.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:05 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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coolerman wrote:
Pop quiz.Mo you can answer,but only one part.Then if the
pop quiz is not completed by 9pm tonight,then Mo,you can
finish the quiz for everyone.
Taking the lane type,the topography,the age of the lanes
out of the equation,what is the most important part of the
oil pattern.And what does each help dictate.

Oiling machine type
The lane oil
Cleaners used
Crosswise blend of the oil
Lengthwise taper-Larger/Smaller
Total volume of oil.The units and ratios
Length of the pattern.


Length of the pattern dominates the ball reaction, followed closely by the Lengthwise taper-Larger/Smaller, because it controls the rate at which the ball loses ball speed, which dominates the ball motion. I consider them as one factor. I'll wait 'til everyone else comments before I finish, as you requested.


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After length and lengthwise taper, I would say units and ratios, volume, followed by crosswise blend.

Units and ratio are what define the pattern and where it can be played, while the blend is how smooth the shot tapers from gutter to gutter. Volume is self explanatory.

From there, oil, machine used cleaners.

Those are my guesses.

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Thanks Mo.I know darn well you could answer this with your hands
tied behind your back.I just want everyone thinking about what goes
into the process when considering the oil pattern.
I'm no expert on this,but have enough knowledge from my
friends that are in the industry.They really try to help me
understand the things that go into the patterns,and the cause
not effect of the items listed.
Also Mo,if the items listed are not answered correctly.Please throw
in the cause and effect of the items that I said take out of the equation.

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coolerman wrote:
Pop quiz.Mo you can answer,but only one part.Then if the
pop quiz is not completed by 9pm tonight,then Mo,you can
finish the quiz for everyone.
Taking the lane type,the topography,the age of the lanes
out of the equation,what is the most important part of the
oil pattern.And what does each help dictate.

Oiling machine type
The lane oil
Cleaners used
Crosswise blend of the oil
Lenghtwise taper-Larger/Smaller
Total volume of oil.The units and ratios
Length of the pattern.


Although most are important and the oil machine type doesn't describe what I'm thinking, I'm going to say the oil machine's condition and the person using it are most important. Without a properly working oil machine, and someone who knows how to use it, you have no reliable pattern at all.


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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:05 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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ljocampo wrote:
coolerman wrote:
Pop quiz.Mo you can answer,but only one part.Then if the
pop quiz is not completed by 9pm tonight,then Mo,you can
finish the quiz for everyone.
Taking the lane type,the topography,the age of the lanes
out of the equation,what is the most important part of the
oil pattern.And what does each help dictate.

Oiling machine type
The lane oil
Cleaners used
Crosswise blend of the oil
Lenghtwise taper-Larger/Smaller
Total volume of oil.The units and ratios
Length of the pattern.


Although most are important and the oil machine type doesn't describe what I'm thinking, I'm going to say the oil machine's condition and the person using it are most important. Without a properly working oil machine, and someone who knows how to use it, you have no reliable pattern at all.


Your very right about that. When I do my final analysis, I'm going to separate application, product and design of the condition. They're all different.


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Ooooooh! I'm so looking forward to that summary! I love this stuff!

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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:55 am Post Number: #8 Post
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Mr.Pinel,Sir feel free to complete the quiz.I would like as many questions after
Mo answers,on the why and how of the answers because this helps us understand
what we should be looking for when matched up against the patterns.

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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:13 am Post Number: #9 Post
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coolerman wrote:
Mr.Pinel,Sir feel free to complete the quiz.I would like as many questions after
Mo answers,on the why and how of the answers because this helps us understand
what we should be looking for when matched up against the patterns.


I'm driving tomorrow. Planning on doing the exercize on Sun. AM. OK?


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Thanks Mo,Kelly is going to have a Mogasim.But we know this will
be worth the wait.
Great sense of timing Mo.

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Another chance.

Mo has covered my number 1 & 2 - length and taper of pattern.

Dictation and importance of others:

1) Crosswise blend - margin of error
2) Volume of pattern - expected transition and how quickly it will happen
3) Cleaner - backend reaction or lack of.
4) Lane oil - viscosity and effect on ball speed, carrydown
5) Machine - spray jet (Brunswick) vs pad / transfer brush (Kegel)

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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:57 pm Post Number: #12 Post
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coolerman wrote:
Pop quiz.Mo you can answer,but only one part.Then if the
pop quiz is not completed by 9pm tonight,then Mo,you can
finish the quiz for everyone.
Taking the lane type,the topography,the age of the lanes
out of the equation,what is the most important part of the
oil pattern.And what does each help dictate.

Oiling machine type
The lane oil
Cleaners used
Crosswise blend of the oil
Lenghtwise taper-Larger/Smaller
Total volume of oil.The units and ratios
Length of the pattern.


Change in schedule! I'll answer this for coolerman, now.

I'm going to analyze it in three sections: application, product properties, design of the pattern.

1) Application: Any modern lane machine that is properly maintained can put down any given pattern with a knowledgeable operator. It is necessary to have a properly operating tape pick up device and lane reader to measure how much oil the machine is putting down in the places that the pattern is being taped. 90% of the time when the machine is not putting down the designed pattern, the problems with the operation are in the cleaner section.

2) Product chosen:Different oils have different characteristics. Some are slicker, some hook more, some last longer, some wear off faster, some carry down and some don't. It's a crap shoot and must be studied in each location to get the accurate characteristics of the oil in that location. As far as cleaners go, the cleaner must clean ALL oil the oil put down in a fresh pattern. The only way to check that is to put down the pattern and use the "strip only" function to make sure it takes up all the oil. By the way, the operator must follow the manufacturer's operating instructions. In case you can't figure it out. This doesn't happen anywhere near enough of the time in the real world.

If the machine doesn't put down the designed pattern accurately, nothing else matters.

3) Pattern design: Once we're sure the machine is working properly, we can analyze the pattern. The most important function of the pattern is to control the rate at which the balls thrown use energy, and to create the margin of error that allows the recreational bowlers to enjoy themselves, or the have the desired degree of difficulty for the bowler's enjoying more challenging conditions. The length of thr pattern controls the initial skid and the distance down the lane of the break point. The lengthwise taper controls the longevity of the pattern and the distance of the transitions. The crosswise blend, emphasizing the back of the pattern, controls the degree of difficulty of the condition and the margin for[error.

That's as accurately as I can portray the variables you wanted to discuss.

Hope you guys like this analysis.


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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:27 am Post Number: #13 Post
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Excellent as always Mo.

One thing I would like to add here that Mo taught me a long time ago is when you have the pattern just the way you want it - PULL TAPES and put them in a safe place. This way, if the ball reaction / scoring environment is not to your liking, you can pull tapes again and you will know where the problem is.

Far too many times lane men only pull tapes when things have already gone wrong and they have nothing to compare them to. Doing the work when things are going well will save you when things are not going well.

This forum is getting better and better every day and I am proud to be a small part of it. Tomorrow I will post the results of the test on the oval thumb thread in the pro shop section. Very interesting findings today. I will run the test again tomorrow to make sure my results are confirmed.


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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:24 am Post Number: #14 Post
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Excellent as always Mo.

One thing I would like to add here that Mo taught me a long time ago is when you have the pattern just the way you want it - PULL TAPES and put them in a safe place. This way, if the ball reaction / scoring environment is not to your liking, you can pull tapes again and you will know where the problem is.

Far too many times lane men only pull tapes when things have already gone wrong and they have nothing to compare them to. Doing the work when things are going well will save you when things are not going well.

This forum is getting better and better every day and I am proud to be a small part of it. Tomorrow I will post the results of the test on the oval thumb thread in the pro shop section. Very interesting findings today. I will run the test again tomorrow to make sure my results are confirmed.


Great point, John! Glad you pointed that out. You are an extremely valuable asset to this forum. I'd feel naked without your support. Oops! Bad visual.


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1.Length of pattern

2.Lengthwise taper of pattern.The larger lenghtwise taper has
more oil closer to the foul line and less at the end of the pattern.
Lanes that have an oil pattern with a larger lengthwise taper create
a pattern that controls the rate at which the ball loses speed,more
than lanes that have the same amount of oil for the entire length of
the pattern.
The smaller the lengthwise taper (more even oil front to back ) of
the pattern,the chance of carrydown problems.Oil patterns
with larger lengthwise tapers show less carrydown problems.

3.The total volume of oil applied to the lanes. The larger volume,
the longer the oil pattern will last on the same surfaces.
With larger volume patterns ( more than 20-21 milliliters),it
is very important to have a larger lengthwise taper or there
will heavy carrydown issues.

4. The difficulty of the pattern is controlled by the crosswise blend
of the oil at the far end of the pattern.(the last 1/3 of the pattern).
The crosswise blend is the amount of (units) in the center of the
lane compared to the amount of oil on the outside boards of the lane.
The more oil in the center of the lane compared to the outside,
the easier the lane plays,when the ratio gets so large the lane
becomes severe wet/dry.Crosswise blends of 4.1 to 8.1 are
the easiest.
When the crosswise blend are 1.5 -3.5 :1 are more difficult.


The crosswise blend is going to tell you how much hold you
are going to have on your line the higher the ratio the more you
will have,and the easier the shot will play.
Lengthwise taper tells you how early/late the ball is going to get
into it's roll after your release.A larger taper will cause earlier
roll and a shorter taper will provide more skid.Both are varied by
the overall length of the pattern and volume of oil applied.

Okay Mo,correct and make changes in my answers.Thanks
for your time.

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1.Length of pattern

2.Lengthwise taper of pattern.The larger lengthwise taper has
more oil closer to the foul line and less at the end of the pattern.
Lanes that have an oil pattern with a larger lengthwise taper create
a pattern that controls the rate at which the ball loses speed,more
than lanes that have the same amount of oil for the entire length of
the pattern.
The smaller the lengthwise taper (more even oil front to back ) of
the pattern,the chance of carrydown problems.Oil patterns
with larger lengthwise tapers show less carrydown problems.

3.The total volume of oil applied to the lanes. The larger volume,
the longer the oil pattern will last on the same surfaces.
With larger volume patterns ( more than 20-21 milliliters),it
is very important to have a larger lengthwise taper or there
will heavy carrydown issues.

4. The difficulty of the pattern is controlled by the crosswise blend
of the oil at the far end of the pattern.(the last 1/3 of the pattern).
The crosswise blend is the amount of (units) in the center of the
lane compared to the amount of oil on the outside boards of the lane.
The more oil in the center of the lane compared to the outside,
the easier the lane plays,when the ratio gets so large the lane
becomes severe wet/dry.Crosswise blends of 4.1 to 8.1 are
the easiest.
When the crosswise blend are 1.5 -3.5 :1 are more difficult.


The crosswise blend is going to tell you how much hold you
are going to have on your line the higher the ratio the more you
will have,and the easier the shot will play.
Lengthwise taper tells you how early/late the ball is going to get
into it's roll after your release.A larger taper will cause earlier
roll and a shorter taper will provide more skid.Both are varied by
the overall length of the pattern and volume of oil applied.

Okay Mo,correct and make changes in my answers.Thanks
for your time.


Found one typo (in white). Everything else looks extremely good. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF! Nice job. Did you accomplish what you wanted from this exercise?


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