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I am more of a positive thinking kind of guy.
I deserve wealth, happiness, health and yes, carry.
I visualize it in my mind and live it as a way of life.
I deserve, and when I inevitably receive, I am grateful.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:42 am Post Number: #462 Post
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Nord Surf Bowl House Shot Report:

Bowled league tonight at Surf.
Normally these lanes have a defined house shot with good friction.
They have changed the shot twice to make it harder for the high rev bowlers.
Last week it was easy for me and with my Purple I could go right up second arrow for a 259.
The team we were playing tonight is tied with us for second place.
Last week their captain bowled a 267!
So both of us liked the shot from last week.

But that shot is no more.
Tonight they changed the shot it again and put down much, much more oil than we have ever seen on these lanes.
Almost as much at Kearny!
Wtf?!

Of course, I brought the wrong balls!
I had planned for the shot from last week.
So I brought the Rack Attack at 4000 grit, the Purple at 2000 grit and my True Motion with Axis layout incase it was super dry.
I tried all balls in practice.
The Rack would go long, had a little bit of snap, but was leaving the 10 pin.
I tried to square up, but it was still leaving that 10.
The True would only grip way right, but it was not a strong roll.
The Purple did not work at all up second arrow.
I moved it right to 7 and it was a little better, but it just wasn't rolling up and was hitting flat.
The best look was with the Rack, so I started with it and used the Purple for spares.

Six frames into the first game the Rack, which never struck and left flat 10's, suddenly just wouldn't react at all.
I moved my target from up 9 to up 7.
Same result, it just stopped hooking.
It was weird how it just suddenly stopped.
So I switched to the Purple going right up 7.
The Purple grabbed earlier than the Rack and could strike if I got it just right, but it was very touchy.
Eventually I had to back the speed off a little to give it time to roll.
I was able to stay nicely in the pocket and collected strikes over the three games.
The good thing was, every time I hit the pocket, which was every single time, no brooklyns or washouts, I either got a strike, left a 7, a 10 a 6-10 or a 4-7.
I never left any other spares for all three games.
So making my spares was pretty easy since it was always one of those combinations.
I did have one pocket 7-10 which was my fault because I missed it at the bottom.

The end result?

I bowled a 197, 192 and 186 for a 575.
I also got a Nord 300 closing the series with 12 total strikes.

My teammate, who is a higher rev bowler, who just got a DV8 Pitbull, was playing third arrow out to 10.
His ball was a beast!
That thing just hooked like crazy and he closed with a 666 series!
A Beast Series.

What about the captain of the other team who bowled a 267 on the previous less oily shot?
He couldn't get his balls to roll up.
He couldn't hook the lane like he normally does going left to right as his ball simply wouldn't come back strong enough to carry.
He normally uses a Storm Rocket and plays the normal house shot method of going 12 to 5 and back or thereabouts.
That simply would not work for him tonight.
The ball would go out there and stay there.
So he moved right, changed his release to more up the back and went down and in.
He bowled games of 161, 151 and 181 for a 493 series.
He was also playing up 7 so I followed his line all night hoping his reactive ball would dry a line and make my urethane shot better.
That never happened, my shot actually got worse and hook was disappearing by game 3.

I checked with the other players in league to see how they were doing on this higher volume pattern and they were all under average.
It was messy.

I had learned from Kearny, that the next time I was faced with a flood and was underballed, that I would get my ass right and ease it in.
I did that tonight and averaged 191.
I realized I would not strike a lot on this condition, but if I could keep the ball in the pocket and collect my spares, my team might have a chance.
It worked, my team won all three games and we moved into first place in the league.

The Rack at 4000 is just too weak.
It seems like it has potential, but it needs even less oil than my Purple to work effectively.
I kept thinking, "If I only had that Radical Katana Dragon I could have killed it tonight."
I was in excellent form and hitting one board pretty consistently for the three games.
I just didn't have a ball strong enough to roll.

Tonight I also maintained my longer pushway, but on the release I did not try to project as much or come up as high on the follow through.
The result was no pain.
My shoulder and arm feel ok.
I also had better consistency with only a slight reduction in ball speed, which didn't hurt tonight on the greater volume.

This weekend I will do the video for MegaMav.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:16 am Post Number: #463 Post
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Nord: "I bowled a 197, 192 and 186 for a 575.
I also got a Nord 300 closing the series with 12 total strikes."


Not too shabby considering the oil pattern was drastically different from the condition you normally encounter at that house!

The one thing bowlers need to understand about bowling centers, lane conditions can vary for a variety of reasons. My personal favorites, the oiling machine is not functioning properly, a new guy is dressing the lanes, and last, but not least, the guy that does the lanes diidn't show up for work today. Obviously, there are other factors such as atmospheric (humidity, weather, so on) and physiological (different oil, cleaning procedure, and the oil pattern) which play an important roll as well.

Bowlers, in today's game, seemingly need to be prepared for just about anything. That's why there are six ball bags and add-a-bags to boot. One just never knows when the lanes are going to be super drenched or Sahara dry.


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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:20 pm Post Number: #464 Post
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Nord wrote:
Nord Surf Bowl House Shot Report:

Tonight they changed the shot it again and put down much, much more oil than we have ever seen on these lanes....

I tried all balls in practice......

The Rack would go long.............

The Rack at 4000 is just too weak.


This is why you bring a couple of abralon pads with you.

When you seen in practice you didn't have enough surface on the Rack (or whatever ball) you could have roughed the surface up some.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:35 pm Post Number: #465 Post
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This is why you bring a couple of abralon pads with you.

When you seen in practice you didn't have enough surface on the Rack (or whatever ball) you could have roughed the surface up some.



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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:46 pm Post Number: #466 Post
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Nord wrote:
But that shot is no more.
Tonight they changed the shot it again and put down much, much more oil than we have ever seen on these lanes.
Almost as much at Kearny!

The Rack would go long, had a little bit of snap, but was leaving the 10 pin.
I tried to square up, but it was still leaving that 10.

I moved it right to 7 and it was a little better, but it just wasn't rolling up and was hitting flat.
Six frames into the first game the Rack, which never struck and left flat 10's, suddenly just wouldn't react at all.
I moved my target from up 9 to up 7.
Same result, it just stopped hooking.
It was weird how it just suddenly stopped.
So I switched to the Purple going right up 7.


You need to stop playing safe.
Why didnt you try outside of 5 like I suggested?
Try 3 for a shot or two during practice.
This safe shot "OMG, I dont want to throw one in the moat or they will take my man card" garbage has got to stop.
JUST GO FOR IT!

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:04 pm Post Number: #467 Post
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MegaMav wrote:

You need to stop playing safe.
Why didnt you try outside of 5 like I suggested?
Try 3 for a shot or two during practice.
This safe shot "OMG, I dont want to throw one in the moat or they will take my man card" garbage has got to stop.
JUST GO FOR IT!

I actually did think about that.
I had my True Motion with Axis drill which would have been perfect for playing out there.
But tonight was a vital match for my team, we needed to win, so I treated this condition like a US Open pattern, keep the ball in pocket and make your spares and get a few lucky strikes.
It worked for me and we won.
It didn't hurt that my partner's pitbull was wallowing in the oil like a happy hog!

I did not take a pad and even if I had, it I did not want to change the 4000 grit surface on the Rack until I had a chance to do the video for MegaMav.
Once I do that, then I think I am taking it down to 1000 dull.
That ball looks like it has a lot of potential, but just doesn't have the teeth at 4000 to grab unless it is very dry in the back.

Again, the main problem I am seeing the last 3 outings: Too Much Oil, Underballed.
I am doing much better with timing, accuracy and consistency.
But I am trying to squeeze blood out of turnips.
In the last 3 outings I could not just roll the ball and it would grab and react and carry.
My partner's Pitbull was amazing, he just rolled 15 to 10 all night and it would crush the pins.
If he leaked it right of 10 a little, then it came back weakly, but still made it back for a light hit.
If he leaked it all the way to 5, then it almost made it back!
Wow, that is hook.

If I could just have reliable hook/strength on these floods, then I would be scoring much higher more consistently.
The previous 3 weeks when I was bowling 600 series each outing, the volumes were low and my Purple Hammer had great roll and just carried.
Then suddenly at Parkway and Surf, too much oil!
Of course Kearny is always too much oil, so I need some answer for that condition immediately or I will be stuck in the low 160's for the rest of the season there.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:19 pm Post Number: #468 Post
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Nord wrote:
I actually did think about that.
I had my True Motion with Axis drill which would have been perfect for playing out there.
But tonight was a vital match for my team, we needed to win, so I treated this condition like a US Open pattern, keep the ball in pocket and make your spares and get a few lucky strikes.
It worked for me and we won.
It didn't hurt that my partner's pitbull was wallowing in the oil like a happy hog!

I did not take a pad and even if I had, it I did not want to change the 4000 grit surface on the Rack until I had a chance to do the video for MegaMav.
Once I do that, then I think I am taking it down to 1000 dull.
That ball looks like it has a lot of potential, but just doesn't have the teeth at 4000 to grab unless it is very dry in the back.

Again, the main problem I am seeing the last 3 outings: Too Much Oil, Underballed.
I am doing much better with timing, accuracy and consistency.
But I am trying to squeeze blood out of turnips.
In the last 3 outings I could not just roll the ball and it would grab and react and carry.
My partner's Pitbull was amazing, he just rolled 15 to 10 all night and it would crush the pins.
If he leaked it right of 10 a little, then it came back weakly, but still made it back for a light hit.
If he leaked it all the way to 5, then it almost made it back!
Wow, that is hook.

If I could just have reliable hook/strength on these floods, then I would be scoring much higher more consistently.
The previous 3 weeks when I was bowling 600 series each outing, the volumes were low and my Purple Hammer had great roll and just carried.
Then suddenly at Parkway and Surf, too much oil!
Of course Kearny is always too much oil, so I need some answer for that condition immediately or I will be stuck in the low 160's for the rest of the season there.


I think you should stop thinking in terms or urethane.
Experiment with reactives, the Gladiator, the rack attack and soon the Jackpot.
Go out to 3, away from everyone and experiment with steeper angles to the pocket.
That will get you carry, whether you feel you deserve it or not.
Think about it this way, why do you think Cheetah is so high scoring?
If there is head oil outside 5, take advantage of it.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:52 pm Post Number: #469 Post
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MegaMav wrote:

I think you should stop thinking in terms or urethane.
Experiment with reactives, the Gladiator, the rack attack and soon the Jackpot.
Go out to 3, away from everyone and experiment with steeper angles to the pocket.
That will get you carry, whether you feel you deserve it or not.
Think about it this way, why do you think Cheetah is so high scoring?
If there is head oil outside 5, take advantage of it.

So be it.
I have my Gladiator at 1000 grit dull right now.
I have not tried it yet at that grit.
I think I will try it this Sunday at the Kearny Flood.
The reason I haven't been using it much is because it is 14 lbs and almost all my other balls are 15 lbs.
I didn't want to mess up my timing going between weights.

I will experiment with trying some balls out right of 5.
Maybe the 4000 grit Rack would have gripped out there.
I am pretty smooth and accurate, so it doesn't scare me to walk out there.
I will keep a urethane on hand for spares, or in case the condition is suddenly low volume. (I wish)

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From May 15th, post #38 on this thread...
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Nord,

Here is what I want.
Take the Dark Legend Solid, sand it hard by hand with 500 then moderately (but not lightly) with 2000.
Give me 5 shots on video, I dont care if they strike.

Arrows/Breakpoint at 40-42ft.

5/5
15/15
8/5
13/6
18/8 (this one may go 100ft, but thats OK, still have to see)

These shots will show me the slope of the pattern left to right and front to back.
I dont think you are throwing the ball far enough right to kick off the friction hard enough.

Over a month and 430 posts have gone by and we still don't have the requested video.

Also from May 27th...
MegaMav wrote:
Shot sequence: (Arrows/Breakpoint)

Frame 1: 5/5
Frame 2: 6/5
Frame 3: 7/5
Frame 4: 8/5
Frame 5: 9/5
Frame 6: 10/7
Frame 7: 11/7
Frame 8: 12/7
Frame 9: 13/7
Frame 10: 14/7
Fill: 15/7


We also have a month of people telling you that on a flood you have to move your breakpoint way outside. When you encounter a flood, what do you do? Never move right of 7. SMDH.

Shoot the video as requested please. Always bring a ball that hooks with you. When you hit the flood either start the ball way outside or keep the ball around the pocket the whole way. Bring some abralon pads with you too.

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Nord wrote:
So be it.
I have my Gladiator at 1000 grit dull right now.
I have not tried it yet at that grit.
I think I will try it this Sunday at the Kearny Flood.
The reason I haven't been using it much is because it is 14 lbs and almost all my other balls are 15 lbs.
I didn't want to mess up my timing going between weights.

I will experiment with trying some balls out right of 5.
Maybe the 4000 grit Rack would have gripped out there.
I am pretty smooth and accurate, so it doesn't scare me to walk out there.
I will keep a urethane on hand for spares, or in case the condition is suddenly low volume. (I wish)


There ya go. Be prepared to be unprepared.


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Arkansas wrote:
I swear it's like you don't want to improve.

Really?
Seriously?
Not only do I want to improve, I have already greatly improved.
I have reported everything that is going on with me religiously.
The highs and the lows.
I am patient to sit there and take every criticism that I know will come about every aspect of my bowling and try to learn from it.
I am trying to get out and get the video sequence.
I have been on vacation for a week.
Last week there were tournaments at the lanes so no open bowling.
This week I am going for it.
But don't forget I already did a video for MegaMav with my Gladiator.

As to moving onto or outside of 5, MegaMav only mentioned this technique a few posts ago.
I have never played out there before.
I don't normally think to go that far out there.
Now I have learned something new to try.

Arkansas wrote:
We also have a month of people telling you that on a flood you have to move your breakpoint way outside. When you encounter a flood, what do you do? Never move right of 7.

You said "breakpoint" but you are not telling me the target at the arrows.
When I move out to 7, I am laying the ball down up 7 with a breakpoint of 7.
Straight up 7.
I am not going left to right.
When you say play 5 or 4, I understand that to mean: go right up 5 or 4.
On the Kearny flood, for me, trying to cross the arrows at 10 or 9 or 8, out to 5 or 4 and expect it to do anything else but fall right into the gutter would be an unreasonable expectation.

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Nord the first post on this page, you stated this: "I am a positive thinker type of guy".

Don't you ever have negative feelings? I went to the Dr tuesday to look at my belly button hernia. he pushed hard on the thing for several minutes moving it around. he got it somehow put back into place or atleast hitting the top of the belly button instead of the middle.

A long story short, i was fine until lateer on that day. it was so bad I coudln't bend over and it even hurt sitting in a chair. Then the next day, I had to go bowling. it took me several seconds to bend over and still I had to hold my stomach where the hernia was for some reason and it still hurt. It was hard to even do "high knees" to stretch.

How can you have positive feelings going into bowling with that going on? My bowling really didn't suffer much though (but first ball was a 2 count I think).

Even without that, it is hard to think positive. I have to aveage no misses with atleast 4 in a row at some point just to get my average. I just go out there and think "ok, let me see what I can do".

How do you go in there thinking positive thoughts?

things negative I think is "I hope I don't split, I hope I don't miss something" etc.


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krava wrote:
Nord the first post on this page, you stated this: "I am a positive thinker type of guy".

Don't you ever have negative feelings? I went to the Dr tuesday to look at my belly button hernia. he pushed hard on the thing for several minutes moving it around. he got it somehow put back into place or atleast hitting the top of the belly button instead of the middle.

A long story short, i was fine until lateer on that day. it was so bad I coudln't bend over and it even hurt sitting in a chair. Then the next day, I had to go bowling. it took me several seconds to bend over and still I had to hold my stomach where the hernia was for some reason and it still hurt. It was hard to even do "high knees" to stretch.

How can you have positive feelings going into bowling with that going on? My bowling really didn't suffer much though (but first ball was a 2 count I think).

A strong mind is the prerequisite to a great accomplishment. Some people naturally exhibit that trait.

Even without that, it is hard to think positive. I have to aveage no misses with atleast 4 in a row at some point just to get my average. I just go out there and think "ok, let me see what I can do".

How do you go in there thinking positive thoughts?

things negative I think is "I hope I don't split, I hope I don't miss something" etc.



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krava wrote:
Nord the first post on this page, you stated this: "I am a positive thinker type of guy".

Don't you ever have negative feelings? I went to the Dr tuesday to look at my belly button hernia. he pushed hard on the thing for several minutes moving it around. he got it somehow put back into place or atleast hitting the top of the belly button instead of the middle.

A long story short, i was fine until lateer on that day. it was so bad I coudln't bend over and it even hurt sitting in a chair. Then the next day, I had to go bowling. it took me several seconds to bend over and still I had to hold my stomach where the hernia was for some reason and it still hurt. It was hard to even do "high knees" to stretch.

How can you have positive feelings going into bowling with that going on? My bowling really didn't suffer much though (but first ball was a 2 count I think).

Even without that, it is hard to think positive. I have to aveage no misses with atleast 4 in a row at some point just to get my average. I just go out there and think "ok, let me see what I can do".

How do you go in there thinking positive thoughts?

things negative I think is "I hope I don't split, I hope I don't miss something" etc.

I know how you feel, I have had two groin hernias in my life that required surgery to fix and they hurt like hell!

But, I am great today and bowling.
Positive thinking is not just thinking positive thoughts, it is visualizing the end result in your mind as if it has already been achieved and invoking the feeling of how it is for that reality to be.
That is the key, feel how it feels for that result to exist.
That's how to bring a reality to be.

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Ok MegaMav, below is the video you requested.

I did the best I could to provide the exact shot sequence you wanted.

It’s not perfect, as I found it very hard to play accurately from left to right.

But I tried my best and did a few of each of the shot sequences.

Hopefully you can learn something from this.

I just bowled the way I am bowling now so you can see how my form and follow through has changed.

I did this video at Kearny Mesa Bowl.

Note: on the weekend they put down a normal medium house shot.

So the massive volume I see in league was not present for this video.

BTW, when I was there, I told my PSO what happened last Sunday with all that oil and he said he had heard about it. The same thing happened on Monday and Tuesday with the high average leagues and a lot of people were really pissed off. Apparently what happened is the new oil man did not program the oil machine correctly and it put down a screwed up, undefined pattern of oil. This Sunday I will bowl league there again and hopefully they have things sorted out. But I am pretty scared honestly that no ball in my arsenal will have any chance on that flood.

Here is the sequence I did and at the end I also did a little bit of my normal way of playing a house shot up 10 to see what the ball would do.

Frame 1: 5/5
Frame 2: 6/5
Frame 3: 7/5
Frame 4: 8/5
Frame 5: 9/5
Frame 6: 10/7
Frame 7: 11/7
Frame 8: 12/7
Frame 9: 13/7
Frame 10: 14/7
Fill: 15/7
Final: 10-10 or thereabouts.

After I finished the video I got out my Purple Hammer which I have at 1000 grit and did an extended strike sequence video playing the lane the way I have been doing over the last 4 weeks.

The Purple Hammer is the ball that has allowed me at Parkway and Surf, in combination with my new extended follow through, to set new personal records and raise my average.

I know you say, “forget urethane” and “stop playing up second arrow,” but bear with me for a moment.

I have a serious question.

If you watch the Purple Hammer video, you will see that I am going down an in up second arrow. You say that playing the oil line like this is by nature “under/over,” but if you watch closely, you will see that I actually have a lot of miss room on this shot.

I could miss inside up to two boards and still strike and miss outside by up to 4 boards and still strike.

So playing up second arrow with the Purple I have a 7 board area I can hit and still hit the pocket and most of the time, carry.

This is the way it normally is for me at Surf and Parkway, a fairly large area around the second arrow will still be fine for strikes with the Purple.

So if you compare the Rack Attack left to right sequence, to the Purple Hammer down and in video, it seems to me that down and in with the Purple was a very successful strategy with lots of miss room.

Q: Why then is it wrong for me to play urethane on a house shot like this and why is it better to use reactive and try to push the ball right?

This is not whining, this is a very serious question please.

Thank you.

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Purple Hammer down and in video:


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 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:03 pm Post Number: #477 Post
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Q: Why then is it wrong for me to play urethane on a house shot like this and why is it better to use reactive and try to push the ball right?


Because the angle to the pocket stinks and the ball motion is bad.

Onto the video: Thanks for the video, it told me everything I need to know.
Very well defined friction 7 and out. The house shot is a little wider than 10-10.
You should be playing that shot with the rack attack way out to the right to get a better angle on the pocket. 5-4-3 area, pretty straight. Allow the ball to hook for along time and get a good angle on the pocket.

Looks like the finish on the ball is worn in, definitely not 4000 anymore. Remember to refresh your surfaces after each set for the most consistency, at a minimum every 6 games. You can shine the ball up more to make it hook for longer if you're playing way out there. Try 3M Rubbing Compound by hand. Wax on, wax off. You can always hit it with a pad at the lanes if you need the ball to pick up earlier.

Once your ball starts to hook early or hook out, you should ball UP and get in, not 10, think 16-12, tight to the pocket and in the fresh part of the pattern in the front.

Go 1.5" x 45* from center of grip on the Jackpot. We want the ball to hook for a long time.
4000 finish, just like the Rack Attack. The higher differential core and cleaner cover should give you a later sharper motion compared to the Rack Attack, which IMO has a fairly grabby coverstock.
Your ball up is the Gladiator for that big jump left. I dont think the Jackpot has the teeth to play way in, but you can try it.

Style note, I still think you're knuckling it (see attached picture). I do not think you've elongated your release all that much, maybe a few inches. Your thumb still isnt all the way in the ball. You gotta work on this.
Keep working on that projection, you can use it to your advantage playing from the right around 3-4-5. That will give you the best chance to strike with a ball choice of either Rack Attack or the Jackpot.

I still think playing 10 is death in the modern game. Too much traffic in that area of the lane.
Someone with your style you need to find a place on the lane to make your own, I think outside at a steeper angle is the best move for you. Your lack of rev rate will make if difficult to overcome oil in the middle of the lane. As long as there is some head oil, it can be done.

Good luck with the Jackpot, I hope you love it as much as I did.
Great ball and it might be the most underrated in the Radical brand.


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I am seeing way more than 90* of rotation with the new style. I don't think that is desirable ball motion

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I am seeing way more than 90* of rotation with the new style. I don't think that is desirable ball motion


I cant even see the ball rotation, my eyes just stay fixated on the gap between his palm and the ball. Emmett Smith use to run thru holes like that.

I dont understand the purpose of the vent hole when the thumb only goes to the knuckle.


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MegaMav wrote:
Thanks for the video, it told me everything I need to know.
The house shot is a little wider than 10-10.
You should be playing that shot with the rack attack way out to the right to get a better angle on the pocket.
Someone with your style you need to find a place on the lane to make your own, I think outside at a steeper angle is the best move for you.
5-4-3 area, pretty straight. Allow the ball to hook for along time and get a good angle on the pocket.

Wow, I would never even considered such a way for me to play lanes, way out there 5, 4 or 3!
I did notice in the video though that the shot directly up 5 went way down there and then rolled to the pocket.
Hmmmm...tonight in Kearny league...maybe

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Once your ball starts to hook early or hook out, you should ball UP and get in, not 10, think 16-12, tight to the pocket and in the fresh part of the pattern in the front.
Your ball up is the Gladiator for that big jump left.

I have the Gladiator at 1000 grit dull right now.
I have not tried it yet.
Should I keep it at that finish for the ball up 16-12 shot, or do I need a different finish?

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I do not think you've elongated your release all that much, maybe a few inches.

I think I made a bigger improvement here than a few inches.
Below are photos of before and after showing the height of my final follow through.

Follow Through Before:
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01_Follow Through Before.jpg


Follow Through After:
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02_Follow Through After.jpg


As to my thumb.
As I pointed out before in the thread, I do insert it all the way in, but as soon as the weight of the ball hangs on it, the ball pulls down until it hooks into the crease in my thumb.
The ball can't stay up all the way since there is nothing for it to hold onto.
I have 7/8" forward pitch, to get it to stay up there would possibly require much more pitch.
I guess this is the way it is with a suitcase grip?

I will get the Jackpot plugged and drilled up to your specs ASAP.
And I will soon start an Open House wandering in the area on and right of first arrow.
Thank you again for your help!
Will let you know how things go.


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