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 Post subject: Re: Adjusting BEFORE Disaster Strikes
 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:12 pm Post Number: #21 Post
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our business is full of different types of personalities. Some are relatively quiet, some feel the urge to describe every single detail they encounter, then there is the person who seems to grasp everything and expresses it with the appropriate amount of feedback.


A good majority of these personalities process information at different rates. Usually for the better and integrate the information into the playing field. Then there is krava, master of all, king of board 8 and the hardest stiff arm to good information I've ever seen. This bowler should be open to as much information as possible so the big fish can some day find himself in a pond larger than a mixed church league to measure his true ability.

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Mega, I'm thinking your response is pretty much, tongue in cheek.


It is. However, dont think some on here havent contacted me asking for intervention.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:16 pm Post Number: #22 Post
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As long as a poster isn't mean or profane I'd leave him/her on. Anyone can choose to simply not read his posts. If anything, add an "Ignore Poster" option, then if you so choose you never even see the offender's posts. -- JohnP


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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:53 pm Post Number: #23 Post
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I dont see where he has violated TOS, unless I didnt read them carefully enough.

People can choose to ignore his post.


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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:01 pm Post Number: #24 Post
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As long as a poster isn't mean or profane I'd leave him/her on. Anyone can choose to simply not read his posts. If anything, add an "Ignore Poster" option, then if you so choose you never even see the offender's posts. -- JohnP


We have one, its on each member's profile page.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:24 pm Post Number: #25 Post
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The first time I read a krava statement, it was interesting in a weird sort of way. Pretty well written and incredibly lengthy, I thought, this guy is a great typist! Kind of disregarded what he actually wrote ;)

I have named it: The Krava Saga

He is the a prime example of living the Dream. It can be somewhat annoying at times, but it reminds me so much of where I came from. The first person who taught me the game said, "You just gotta figure out what really matters".


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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:39 pm Post Number: #26 Post
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I have named it: The Krava Saga


I'll call it The Diary of Krava The Eighth (board).
I think he uses BowlingChat as a diary, and im fine with that, but asking for help understanding something, getting it from qualified individuals here then just blow it off as if its not possible he's not understanding bowling as a whole. It takes an incredibly long time to understand bowling as a whole. I've been drinking this game since 5 and have been fortunate to hang out with some really great people in the game and learn a lot and im not even close! Always learning, always growing!

I think the moment we realize we dont know something the motivation to learn should begin.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:02 pm Post Number: #27 Post
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MeNoRevs wrote:
People can choose to ignore his post.


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Anyone can choose to simply not read his posts. JohnP


May I suggest to do what I am doing i.e. I am doing exactly the above. This is much better, more stylish and more fair than blocking or banning this poor gentleman, who simply has a lot of problems and questions but a very strange way to appreciate the time and efforts other people are investing to help him.

By not reading or not responding, two messages will be given:
1) Kindly shorten your postings by 95%
2) Please think, rethink and think again before you answer (using 100 words max!)

Banning or blocking would be too low of a response.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:57 pm Post Number: #28 Post
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It is. However, dont think some on here havent contacted me asking for intervention.


Yeah, but you gotta admit he is entertaining in a sick, frustrating sort of way??????


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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:01 pm Post Number: #29 Post
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Yeah, but you gotta admit he is entertaining in a sick, frustrating sort of way??????


OR SOMETHING!

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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:38 pm Post Number: #30 Post
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OR SOMETHING!


The thread about beating his grandma surrogate in league has to be a bowlingchat top 5 moments contender for sure.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:16 am Post Number: #31 Post
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Chris Barnes: How many times have you been bowling in league or a tournament think you throw in a great shot that suddenly goes high and you didn't expect it?

The most experienced players that are the most successful anticipate these Lane changes and are able to move before they actually happen.



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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:23 am Post Number: #32 Post
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Even great bowlers miss the move and it depends on their basic game exactly how they are going to make a move. For example, a well known and highly regarded PBA member was on a string, next shot, 4-6-7-10. What happened? They stayed on the shot as long as they possibly could. Why? Because the next move would not have been in the comfort zone for their particular game. But, the move was necessary.

So, they moved. Washout.

The next move is what separates winners from non-winners. The bowler moved back to the original starting position, stood a little higher at the line which created "loft". End result, struck out.

It is important to understand, the last six frames are more critical than the first six. That is where the truly talented bowlers will shine.


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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:10 pm Post Number: #33 Post
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TomaHawk,

I had a similar experience in a 2nd-shift league this week, but I am NOT near PBA skill level. The league that plays before us is a higher average league who tends to play more to the inside. The players in my league will tend to start out playing up the 10-board. I usually need to find a line left of the players in my league, but forced to stay right of the deeper track created by the previous league and then I move left as the series progresses.

I started out the 1st game with a spare and 5 strikes. I always consider a move in the 6-7 frame as conditions usually change for me. Sure enough, starting in the 7th frame the lanes moved away from me and I had trouble with nasty splits and finding the new line. I moved a little left and forward, recovered, and closed out game 1 with a 4-bagger in the 9th and 10th frame for a 203. All bowler scores were down, and my 203 was high game.

Game 2 started out ugly and no change seemed to help - lost 4 frames to nasty splits. The next mistake I made was a ball change from a higher RG sym ball to a more aggressive lower RG asym ball; and more frames lost to splits. The end result was an awful 143 (all scores were down below 200 but mine was one of the worst) - 60 pins difference !

For the 3rd game, I returned to my sym ball, moved more inside, stood forward on my approach, and used a quick release that feels very good with this ball. Game 3 ended with a 255 - BIG difference over game 2.

Of course, everybody had a good laugh about how I could be so inconsistent as to have a series like 203-143-255. I suffer a lot from the 2nd game blues ... and I continue to work on a cure for these blues. LOL!


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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:02 pm Post Number: #34 Post
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We have one, its on each member's profile page.


It says a lot about the quality of posters on Bowling Chat and for Mav's management of the site that I've never looked to see if a poster can be ignored. On another site I visit I've probably got over 20 posters ignored. -- JohnP


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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:35 pm Post Number: #35 Post
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JohnP wrote:

It says a lot about the quality of posters on Bowling Chat and for Mav's management of the site that I've never looked to see if a poster can be ignored. On another site I visit I've probably got over 20 posters ignored. -- JohnP


Thank you John! No bull! Just bowling!

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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:31 pm Post Number: #36 Post
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TomaHawk,

I had a similar experience in a 2nd-shift league this week, but I am NOT near PBA skill level. The league that plays before us is a higher average league who tends to play more to the inside. The players in my league will tend to start out playing up the 10-board. I usually need to find a line left of the players in my league, but forced to stay right of the deeper track created by the previous league and then I move left as the series progresses.

I started out the 1st game with a spare and 5 strikes. I always consider a move in the 6-7 frame as conditions usually change for me. Sure enough, starting in the 7th frame the lanes moved away from me and I had trouble with nasty splits and finding the new line. I moved a little left and forward, recovered, and closed out game 1 with a 4-bagger in the 9th and 10th frame for a 203. All bowler scores were down, and my 203 was high game.

Game 2 started out ugly and no change seemed to help - lost 4 frames to nasty splits. The next mistake I made was a ball change from a higher RG sym ball to a more aggressive lower RG asym ball; and more frames lost to splits. The end result was an awful 143 (all scores were down below 200 but mine was one of the worst) - 60 pins difference !

For the 3rd game, I returned to my sym ball, moved more inside, stood forward on my approach, and used a quick release that feels very good with this ball. Game 3 ended with a 255 - BIG difference over game 2.

Of course, everybody had a good laugh about how I could be so inconsistent as to have a series like 203-143-255. I suffer a lot from the 2nd game blues ... and I continue to work on a cure for these blues. LOL!


Hey, this happens, even at the PBA level. Several years ago, when I bowled on Friday nights, I would periodically go into the pro shop to check the PBA scores. I'll never forget when I went in and saw that Wes Malott had just shot a 114 game! I think the last time I had a game that low was my first year of bowling, and I'm on the opposite end of the bowling talent scale from Wes Malott!


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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:49 pm Post Number: #37 Post
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JohnP wrote:
My thoughts:
As long as a poster isn't mean or profane I'd leave him/her on. Anyone can choose to simply not read his posts.

I agree with John about this. Everyone should be allowed to post their questions/comments/thoughts as long they are not mean or profane.

I have also got some negative reputation just because of I have questioned some things which are commonly agreed here. I do that because it is my way to learn new stuff and it is up to everyone to decide if they want to read or ignore my posts. And is also one of the reasons why I'm not given up with krava (at least yet).


What comes to the topic itself exercise which Rob explained on first post is a very good idea and I definitely will try it. I also think that it maybe should be added to wiki too?


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 Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 pm Post Number: #38 Post
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I like it. Brings a little bit of chess-player mentality into the game. In a typical four-man league, you’re going to have seven 1st shots on the lane you just left before you get back to, plus spare shots. If it’s the tenth and you are the anchor, since you’ve been on your finishing lane the opponents have had four 1st shots on that lane and your teammates have had as many as nine (!).


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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:54 am Post Number: #39 Post
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How about for the lefties who have few or none at all in the pair except him/her? What other things he/she should be watching aside from the ball motion down the lane and the way the ball enters the rack?

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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:40 pm Post Number: #40 Post
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How about for the lefties who have few or none at all in the pair except him/her? What other things he/she should be watching aside from the ball motion down the lane and the way the ball enters the rack?


If I am understanding Rob's OP, for the purposes of this exercise it doesn't matter which side you bowl on. You are not trying to determine what you're adjustments are going to be (I mean, hopefully you ARE, but...) You are trying to train your brain to watch what is happening on both sides of the lane and predict what will happen to the bowlers on your pair.

If you're in a league where you really get to know the bowlers (especially your teammates), you will figure out who is going to make some sort of adjustment more often than not, and who is going to keep throwing at the same spot and come back angry and confused when it stops working.

I would think the ultimate goal is indeed to get better at predicting when you will need to move even without that oh-so-helpful trip-four (trip-six for y'all) or mixing strike. But you do this by absorbing (in this case, learning to predict) what happens on the lane no matter what side, what skill level, what rev rate and line, etc.


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