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That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 2:50 am
by BrokenArrow
I'm not sure if I am posting in the right spot, hopefully I am.

I need some help figuring out how to carry that god awful 10 pin.

I had my league night tonight. (195,194,193) It should have been alot better. Those would have all been 250+ if I carried.

My current ball I'm throwing is a Storm Astro-Physics. I like the ball and I love the reaction. It gives me plenty of slide in the beginning, turns the corner good and hits like a mac truck. The problem is I am not carrying. I left double digit ''ringing ten'' pins.

I throw around 16-16.5 mph, no thumb, one handed righty. I hit the pocket constantly but I think I am to angular. I feel like if I moved right and went a tad bit straighter I would carry more. My fear with that is my rev rate is over 450 and if I try to go too straight I think I'm going to end up through the face. I'd rather look at a 10 pin then look at a big 4 or a 7-10.

Any advise is greatly appreciated

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:00 am
by 44boyd
So you just stood in the same place over and over?

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:04 am
by BrokenArrow
Basically, yes. I tried to drift right a little but I keep fearing going through the face so I only moved about 2 boards and still didn't carry. I assume the move was to go further right and go straighter, but I don't know if I can tame the ball enough to not over hook.

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:08 am
by 44boyd
Why didn’t you move left?

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:10 am
by BrokenArrow
I thought that would make the problem worse. Coming in even more angular I thought would be a bad thing.

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:13 am
by 44boyd

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:15 am
by 44boyd
When you move left, bring your target left with you. Hence why you hear the saying I made a 3-1 move left (3 boards with feet, 1 board with target) etc..

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:18 am
by BrokenArrow
That's pretty interesting. So basically a ring ten a a slightly light shot? So I could have moved left and maybe slowed my ball speed down a hair and carried better that way?

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:21 am
by 44boyd
Yup

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 3:55 am
by boomer
Don't think of it as a formula - start watching what your ball does AS IT GOES through the pins. What does the ball do to the 3 and 6 pins? Honestly, that's THE question regarding the 10.

A perfect hit will drive the 3 into the 6 into the 10.

Now think about what happens if you see the 3 slide into the gutter and the 6 go back - what does that mean?
Now think about what happens if you see the 3 slide off the back and the 6 go FLYING around the 10 - what does that mean?

Both are "in the pocket" but one is a bit deep, driving the 3 back instead of diagonally right and back; and the other is a bit high, kicking the 3 in the wrong directly.

But by WATCHING the 3 and 6 (and get in that habit - it's not easy to develop) you can see what move you need to make - or if you need to hit with more or less angle, or WHAT you need to do. . .

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 12th, 2019, 4:21 am
by TonyPR
All ten pins are caused by deflection, if you move outside adjust your release to have less axis rotation so that the ball rolls forward easier. Watch your ball and see how and where it goes through the three phases of ball motion. A perfect strike for a right hander, the ball will hit the 1, the 3, the 5 and split the 8-9 leaving the pin deck around board 20.

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 13th, 2019, 10:15 am
by deanchamp
BrokenArrow wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 2:50 am
My current ball I'm throwing is a Storm Astro-Physics. I like the ball and I love the reaction. It gives me plenty of slide in the beginning, turns the corner good and hits like a mac truck. The problem is I am not carrying. I left double digit ''ringing ten'' pins.

I throw around 16-16.5 mph, no thumb, one handed righty. Rev rate is over 450.

Any advise is greatly appreciated
What line are you bowling? You are quite rev dominant with those stats. With the astro physix you are throwing a polished pearl on the fresh, that has ringing 10-pin written all over it. You may need a tad more surface on it. Do you know the dual angle layout on the ball?

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: December 14th, 2019, 7:58 pm
by BrokenArrow
I usually start around 33-35 and try to get it to around the 10-12. I seem to struggle with non-pearl balls. They burn up and hit soft. I was throwing a rip”d solid for a while and it just died in the mid lane every time.

I’m not entirely sure on the layout. I could send a pic of the ball if that would help at all.

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: January 25th, 2020, 10:42 am
by krava
check this video out about getting the 10 pin out. It isn't about it but it talks about it if you watch the whole video and actually shows you instead of just telling you what to do.



I don't exactly understand it myself. but if you don't use your thumb I don't know if this will benefit you or not.

Re: That $%^&* 10 pin

Posted: January 25th, 2020, 10:48 am
by krava
here is a comment from a no thumb bowler on that above:


Samuel Kraft
7 months ago

~ For the no thumb bowlers~
I don't use a thumb and I bowl one handed,
so using the same concept of thumb position I change the position of my pointer finger or pinky and sometimes both if needed to be more aggressive down lane.