2y2 wrote:Two handed bowling is measured in different terms than one handed bowling, so for now I will call the last step 'slide' even when at some point two handers do not slide in the whole last step. Taking this in consideration Osku's 'slide' is in no way a short one. Look at these pictures (If you cannot see them I've attached them at the end of the post):
Don't they look similar? In both cases the ball is about to start falling from its highest point, both feet are almost together, even their distance to the foul line is similar, I chose Barnes because his height is similar to Osku's. The last step of two handers is divided in two, the landing from the jump and the slide, so I called it only slide in the images but it could be called power step.
Actually I think that this is what he is tried to explain to me.
Point is not to get long slide but instead of that to get long last step which will happen automatically if you are able to drop your waist/hip/ass between legs.
Like you can see Shannon Pluhowsky has also very long last step even without sliding at all:
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2y2 wrote:I cannot imagine Osku or Belmo trying to bowl with sneakers, or planting, with all the inertia they have, they would end up kissing the lane. I don't really think that planting has anything to do with dropping the waist at all, Osku's not a planter and neither Tommy Jones is, in fact, even though there are few planters in the PBA right now and at least 3 of them have titles (Brad Angelo, Michael Haugen Jr and Shannon Pluhowsky), they are great bowlers not because they are planters, but because they're amazingly talented, and I can imagine they would have a lot more success if they were sliders instead.
My (and I assume that my coach too) purpose of course was not say that planting would be some kind of secret weapon which can fix anyone bowling issues but instead of that I just wanted questioning of thinking that if even sliding is something that bowlers should try on purpose? Meaning that slide is more like effect of good approach.
It is very easy to get long slide. Just change more sliding soles and "run" faster.
2y2 wrote:This topic is about speed and accuracy, to be more accurate you have to generate margin of error, planting does it? NO, because it denies the flat spot concept.
How planting denies flat spot concept? If you look Shannon on picture above you can see that she has flat spot because of long last step and that long last step is generated by let waist/hip/ass drop on "freefall" instead of moving weight to forward too soon (same way like on right lunge technique).
EDIT: One more example. Look how much Brad Angelo's shoulder is moving forward after his heel hits the floor:
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At least my understanding is that is creating flat spot...
2y2 wrote:And as I stated in the other post, planters are rarely high speed bowlers. Speed is generated by our legs, when you plant your last step, you reduce the distance you can use to accelerate the ball with your legs
With legs you can accelerate your body speed to forward but by let your body drop to down you can generate lag on your arms like on golf swing which will also accelerate on your ball and at least on my coach thinking it is good idea to learn that first with less speed generated by legs (or that why I at least understood of it).
Anyway, thanks for everyone so far. There have been lot of good comments and I hope that I can give you also some new ideas...
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