two handed bowling
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two handed bowling
I want to get into to two handed bowling, like Jason Belmonte is bowling, but I have no idea where to start, I been looking online for help or tips, but can't really find anything, so any help would be awesome
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Re: two handed bowling
Welcome to BowlingChat!
The article below, on our wiki may help.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... ed_Bowling
The article below, on our wiki may help.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... ed_Bowling
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Re: two handed bowling
I do not and will not consider myself a 2 handed bowler. My experience with it lies in just playing around to see if I could do it easily. It wasn't easy. I managed to get the ball down the lane but it had a very weak roll to it. The end result was what is called an over rolled full roller. Not something you want to have to deal with. The release was negative tilt and low rotation. The ball bounced over the grip holes and did not hook like Belmo's at all. Basically a mess of a shot.
So what am I getting at, make sure you know the basic phases of ball motion: skid, hook and roll.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... all_Motion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also pay attention to your release specs specifically tilt and rotation as you learn. Don't wind up with extremes for your release specs. It takes so many drilling options away from you.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... _Reference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Make sure to use the search option to find old posts about the 2 handed style. There are quite few.
So what am I getting at, make sure you know the basic phases of ball motion: skid, hook and roll.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... all_Motion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also pay attention to your release specs specifically tilt and rotation as you learn. Don't wind up with extremes for your release specs. It takes so many drilling options away from you.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... _Reference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Make sure to use the search option to find old posts about the 2 handed style. There are quite few.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Re: two handed bowling
By all means refer to the wiki articles. I just checked the Belmo link and it appears to now be unavailable. It originated from the USBC site http://www.bowl.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, you may find the material is still there but they may have moved it.
Note that Jim has also responded and critiqued two handers on the certified coaching forum.
General comments and thoughts.
Leg speed, strength and core strengths are paramount, in time you will find the release itself to be the easiest part.
Build your game piece by piece and don't be impatient or discouraged.
Back to the release, don't for one moment think that you should limit yourself to one set of axis tilt and rotation, but do build them one at a time, including a straight ball. This also goes for RPMS. Don't be a one pitch pony.
You can begin training with house balls using lighter balls to start, one this will be easier on your body.
Do try to gain and improve accuracy, unbridled power is worthless without proper direction.
Do have fun, do use good sense, do be patient, and do commit to excellence.
Good luck!
Note that Jim has also responded and critiqued two handers on the certified coaching forum.
General comments and thoughts.
Leg speed, strength and core strengths are paramount, in time you will find the release itself to be the easiest part.
Build your game piece by piece and don't be impatient or discouraged.
Back to the release, don't for one moment think that you should limit yourself to one set of axis tilt and rotation, but do build them one at a time, including a straight ball. This also goes for RPMS. Don't be a one pitch pony.
You can begin training with house balls using lighter balls to start, one this will be easier on your body.
Do try to gain and improve accuracy, unbridled power is worthless without proper direction.
Do have fun, do use good sense, do be patient, and do commit to excellence.
Good luck!
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Re: two handed bowling
Ok thanks for all the info, I tried it today, and I didn't have much speed behind it, but I'm sure it will come
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Re: two handed bowling
I've got a more specific question regarding this subject:
Is it necessary to bend the bowling arm in the backswing?
Every analysis obviously points to this, since belmo and osku both do it, but I found my accuracy improved a lot when not bending it.
The problem I see here is speed creation, but since I was never able to create speed with this technique, I can not compare.
Is it necessary to bend the bowling arm in the backswing?
Every analysis obviously points to this, since belmo and osku both do it, but I found my accuracy improved a lot when not bending it.
The problem I see here is speed creation, but since I was never able to create speed with this technique, I can not compare.
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Re: two handed bowling
I had a chance to work on a few 2 handed bowlers and tried it a couple of times myself and in my observation, bending the bowling arm in the backswing promotes more stability in the upper body and balance. Unlike the traditional where we use the other arm to balance while the ball is in backswing, bending the bowling arm keeps the ball close to the head and the body. This is just an observation and theory of mine. The more experienced coaches here can shed some light to this.FruitFly wrote:I've got a more specific question regarding this subject:
Is it necessary to bend the bowling arm in the backswing?
Every analysis obviously points to this, since belmo and osku both do it, but I found my accuracy improved a lot when not bending it.
The problem I see here is speed creation, but since I was never able to create speed with this technique, I can not compare.
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PAP 5" over LEFT x 7/8" over UP
Tilt 18*
Speed 16 MPH (Off Hand)
Rev 250 RPM
Rot 65*
PAP 5" over LEFT x 7/8" over UP
Tilt 18*
Speed 16 MPH (Off Hand)
Rev 250 RPM
Rot 65*
Re: two handed bowling
After practicing a few weeks, I think I got the approach down, well where it don't seem totally awkward, but I don't have a lot of speed or power behind the shot. So, how do I get more speed, and revs? Is it in the approach?