How to decrease tilt
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How to decrease tilt
I have a high amount of tilt (24*) and I would like to reduce that a bit. What suggestions do you have to accomplish this? What mental "triggers" should be going through my mind? Any drills?
Binkster
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
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Re: How to decrease tilt
If it were my decision, I would change finger (thumb) pitches to achieve the lower tilt and rotation. I am not saying that is the only way, but the way I would accomplish this task.
A word of caution...only specially trained professionals should attempt!
A word of caution...only specially trained professionals should attempt!
Dan
Ball speed: 19 mph (off hand)
Tilt: 18*
Rotation: 55*
Ball speed: 19 mph (off hand)
Tilt: 18*
Rotation: 55*
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Re: How to decrease tilt
I suggest posting a video for JMerrell to look at in the coaching section. He may be able to see something in your delivery that could change your high tilt situation.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Re: How to decrease tilt
Definitely in agreement! Every analysis of jmerrell is spot on and broken down in great detail. It may be something in your approach that needs to be corrected to get you in a better position at release.EricHartwell wrote:I suggest posting a video for JMerrell to look at in the coaching section. He may be able to see something in your delivery that could change your high tilt situation.
Some cues that work for me in the meantime.
Roll the ball more with less axis rotation. Really focus on rolling it with your hand directly behind the ball. Another thing that works for me is rolling your hand down instead of around. You would be surprised how much turn you actually can get this way. I bet your rev rate will increase as well. The best cue for me is really honing in on the position of the thumb and palm. Focus on keeping the thumb at as close to 12 o'clock.as possible. At release hand behind the ball as best you can with an open palm. Similar to Pete Weber or Chris Loschetter. I'm sure I botched Chris's.last name. Hopefully one of these cues if not all will help you achieve your goal. If you're not sure if your tilt is less look on your oil rings, they should be closer to the finger and thumb holes then usual. Unless you have an inverted track or a very strange pap.
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Re: How to decrease tilt
Is high tilt caused by the thumb staying in the ball too long?
Binkster
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
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Re: How to decrease tilt
Are you lifting it hard?Binkster wrote:Is high tilt caused by the thumb staying in the ball too long?
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- Axis Rotation: 50
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Re: How to decrease tilt
I don't think so. I guess one of these days I need to do some video.2y2 wrote: Are you lifting it hard?
Binkster
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
Speed = 17-17.5 off hand
Rev Rate = 300-350
Tilt = ~20-24*
AR = 45-55
PAP = 4 3/4 rt and 3/4 up
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him" - James D. Miles
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- Positive Axis Point: 5 7/16 right ⅜ down
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- Rev Rate: 550
- Axis Tilt: 5
- Axis Rotation: 55
- Medium Oil Ball: storm IQ tour pearl
- Light Oil Ball: rotogrip scream
- Preferred Company: storm/roto grip
- Location: Cleveland Ohio
Re: How to decrease tilt
I think it can be a contributing factor to higher tilt. I definitely notice it more now since I am in the process of teaching myself how to bowl lefty. My better shots I can feel a good clearing of the thumb, its a noticeable difference with less tilt and more rotation.Binkster wrote:Is high tilt caused by the thumb staying in the ball too long?
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