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Creating more separation.

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Hi again
I wonder what you recommend when it comes to changing ones separation. Currently I use a pivot step on the third step in my 4-step approach. The pivot-step is as short as my first step.
But even so It feels like very little separation.
Should I increase the pace of my steps or delay the pushaway.

Any general thougts on the subject? I can post a vide of my game tomorrow if anyone's intersted in aiding me.

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Jonny Sweden wrote:Hi again
I wonder what you recommend when it comes to changing ones separation. Currently I use a pivot step on the third step in my 4-step approach. The pivot-step is as short as my first step.
But even so It feels like very little separation.
Should I increase the pace of my steps or delay the pushaway.

Any general thougts on the subject? I can post a vide of my game tomorrow if anyone's intersted in aiding me.

Thanks
Jonny,

Please post. A picture is worth a thousand words, or so I've heard.
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Feel free to comment :)

Oh btw my tilt has increased somewhat (7* before, now 12*) the last weeks since I´ve changed my pitches. But as you can see on the video my axisrotation has also increased (<45* before). Good or bad?
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Oh, and the track is no longer over the thumbhole btw (hallelujah).
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Jonny Sweden wrote:Oh, and the track is no longer over the thumbhole btw (hallelujah).
GREAT! I love it when a plan comes together.
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Jonny Sweden wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

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Feel free to comment :)

Oh btw my tilt has increased somewhat (7* before, now 12*) the last weeks since I´ve changed my pitches. But as you can see on the video my axisrotation has also increased (<45* before). Good or bad?

Good on both counts!

I have some suggestions.
1) Hold the ball closer to your body in the stance to reduce grip pressure. Elbow behind the spine.
2) Investigate using the "shift/bowl" technique to add smoothness to the flow of your approach.
3) Place the ball in line with your chin in the stance (not as far right). This will increase leverage.

Our next goal is the get the ball down on the lane sooner with a softer hand. Now, this is the clue for Jim to work his magic with his suggestions.
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Thanks for the input :)

How big of a problem is my swing in your opinion? Since I'm not very broadshouldered and the fact that my wrist is slightly cocked, my swing tend go around my body Instead of through it. That is something that annoys me. :)
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Jonny Sweden wrote:Thanks for the input :)

How big of a problem is my swing in your opinion? Since I'm not very broadshouldered and the fact that my wrist is slightly cocked, my swing tend go around my body Instead of through it. That is something that annoys me. :)
Keeping your hinge under your chin will prevent wrapping. You'er dropping the ball into the swing too far to the right. Practice the suggestions and post another video in about a week. Let's see the change.
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Ok. I will double my effort this week.

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Hello jonny,

Continuing with Mo’s suggestions:

1) Hold the ball closer to your body in the stance to reduce grip pressure. Elbow behind the spine (see Kim's setup slide).
2) Investigate using the "shift/bowl" technique to add smoothness to the flow of your approach. Current steps 2 & 3 are too slow.
3) Place the ball in line with your chin in the stance (not as far right). This will increase leverage. (position ball in green circle)
4) Head position is GREAT in slide 1; in slides 2-5 you starting losing the spine tilt you set at address (yellow line). Your head needs to stay over the ball throughout the approach.
5) Your upper body is squaring back up to the foul line from slide 2-6.
6) You then lift the ball to the top of the swing. I see the cocking of the wrist that you mentioned; (ok) but I also see some cupping of the wrist. (not ok)
6) Coming down you tuck the swing in and get the ball under your head. While this gets the ball under your head, left to right ball direction will tend to be your ‘A’ game. This could make playing up the first 3 to 4 boards a challenge.

Mo said: Our next goal is the get the ball down on the lane sooner with a softer hand.

Drill: Place a chair over the right gutter, then place a mop on the chair with the handle extended over the lane approximately 2 feet above the lane and 3 feet from the foul line. Goal is to practice releasing the ball under the handle. This will assist you in getting the ball on the lane sooner with a softer hand.

I don’t see a problem with the swing going behind you?

Mo said: Keeping your hinge under your chin will prevent wrapping. You’re dropping the ball into the swing too far to the right (see slide 2).

Hinge the ball straight forward under your head.
Keep the left arm out in front and allow the upper body to open (see Kim's side view).
This should also help you keep maintain the head over the ball position throughout your approach.

Please post a side video when you can,
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Hi Jim. Thanks for the help. But where is the slides you're referring to? :)
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Thanks a lot Mo and Jim. This really helps. One question though. On my first step, do I have to step my right foot to the left (in front of my left foot)?
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Jonny,

The hinge step should go a least in front of the left foot.
Try both in front and left of the left foot.
For some going left of the left foot puts the body in a better position for the backswing.
So, try both and look at your video and provide feedback.
Sorry for not clarifiying that as I had an orange arrow in the slide for direction.

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Thanks Jim. Thats very refreshing information. Among swedish coaches stepping to the left is a big tabu. They preach that you step like a duck with your feet in a paralell line up until the last step, which you step in to the right.
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Jonny Sweden wrote:Thanks Jim. Thats very refreshing information. Among swedish coaches stepping to the left is a big tabu. They preach that you step like a duck with your feet in a paralell line up until the last step, which you step in to the right.
That makes all right handers walk right, not conducive to today's game. Ducks move best in water. The step pattern I talked about is up to date. Good luck with archaic thinking.
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Quack, quack
Walk like a duck bowl like a duck, lol

Just my opinion of course,
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