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 Post subject: Coaching overweight people.
 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:06 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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Don Johnson mentioned that at one time, that most of the leading money winners on tour were underweight. He was one.

Well we all know that people come in all shapes and sizes. Our body types and various circumstance can add challenge and frustration to the sport. This can act as a deterrent to staying with or starting the sport.

Over the years, I've never seen this topic our subject get what I consider good coverage.
In short, little attention is devoted to helping people who do not fit certain molds.
Another area lacking attention is senior bowlers.

While a pat answer would be "get in shape, eat right", if it were simply a matter of words, there'd be no weight loss industry. Not happening.

So I'm asking for the coaching community to share their collective experience and wisdom.

From a personal stand point, I've been overweight several times.
Not lately, but like many we grow too soon old and too late smart.

It's a lot easier to coach "the body beautiful", more challenging the converse.

Comments, suggestions, tips, are welcomed, especially if you have optimized the game of the physically challenged.

Again, this is an overture to help people and increase the bowling population.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching overweight people.
 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:53 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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I would love to see some comments on this. I'm sure there are lot's of us that this effects including myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching overweight people.
 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:19 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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I thought about this some when it was first asked, and again now. I am one of those people who will usually reply with one needing to be more physically fit, but only if it is fitness holding them back. It seems issues that would plague an "overweight" person could be the same as a "fit/ideal weight" person. Footwork, timing, swing slot, etc. are issues that affect many bowlers independent of their physical appearance.

But if the issue is truly physical, then what other opinion is there other than fitness? Is the question being posed what are ways overweight people can circumvent ideal aspects of the approach/release? That is different.


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 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:26 am Post Number: #4 Post
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spmcgivern wrote:
I thought about this some when it was first asked, and again now. I am one of those people who will usually reply with one needing to be more physically fit, but only if it is fitness holding them back. It seems issues that would plague an "overweight" person could be the same as a "fit/ideal weight" person. Footwork, timing, swing slot, etc. are issues that affect many bowlers independent of their physical appearance.

But if the issue is truly physical, then what other opinion is there other than fitness? Is the question being posed what are ways overweight people can circumvent ideal aspects of the approach/release? That is different.


I'd comfortably argue that being a fat guy makes things harder, as a fat guy. Getting a straight swing under your head for example - this is made harder by fat on either your side, or on your arms, or under armpit etc. It can literally bounce the ball off it's path.

I can comfortably play 16 games one after the other, so fitness is not an issue.

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flibblesh wrote:
I'd comfortably argue that being a fat guy makes things harder, as a fat guy. Getting a straight swing under your head for example - this is made harder by fat on either your side, or on your arms, or under armpit etc. It can literally bounce the ball off it's path.

I can comfortably play 16 games one after the other, so fitness is not an issue.


True, my choice of words was incorrect. I should have said size. I have seen large bowlers with amazing form and be able to have a straight swing and everything else bowlers want in their game. But many have physical issues as you have stated that prevent them from achieving them.


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Everyone is a athlete inside some are just more athletic than others. We all know real good bowlers that physically has a hard time looking like a modern bowler because of weight or age. So you DON'T have to look like Mike Fagan or Stefanie Johnson to be successful.
I think most of the bowlers I have coached have been overweight but that doesn't change on how I coach. I coach everyone the same. I teach them the modern game. As the lessons progress I find out what each bowler can and can't do. Never let the overweight bowler think that she/he can't get a little lower or add more side tilt.
I think mostly the bowler has to trust that they CAN have some knee bend and some side tilt. Doing drills will help improve any bowler . Doing the foul line and 1 step drills shows the overweight bowler that they can look like a modern bowler. The overweight bowlers even with a slightest knee bend and small tilt will have enough space from the trail leg moving out of the way to get the ball under their head. When showing videos to these bowlers most are amazed on how much room at the ankles they have at the release point. With a little side tilt they see that they don't have to swing the ball around the body!
I'm coaching a overweight high school bowler that at our 1st practice (and many afterwards) she would fall down after the release. I have seen her fell at least 15 times. On November 20 this young lady won the Michigan Youth Masters tournament.
Basic fundamental , good timing and good drills are the key to helping the overweight bowler.
The real issue is the bowlers with bad knees.

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