Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Drilling an Arson Low Flare Pearl next week, and trying to narrow down a layout for 39' medium-light THS.
Looking for control on fresh THS, wet/dry and spotty backends.
Not sure about the ideal PIN>PAP for this low-flaring ball. Considering 65º x 4" x 45º

I currently use a Tropical Breeze that works very well when the lanes begin to break down, but is a bit inconsistent when the pattern is fresh.
65º x 4.75” x 55º

Thanks
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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snick wrote:Drilling an Arson Low Flare Pearl next week, and trying to narrow down a layout for 39' medium-light THS.
Looking for control on fresh THS, wet/dry and spotty backends.
Not sure about the ideal PIN>PAP for this low-flaring ball. Considering 65º x 4" x 45º

I currently use a Tropical Breeze that works very well when the lanes begin to break down, but is a bit inconsistent when the pattern is fresh.
65º x 4.75” x 55º

Thanks
Ok, so I know what I am working from, I have you at rev dominate, with lowish tilt and slightly low rotation. So 120* + - 20 with a 2:1 + - 0.5 for the ratio.

So, you could do something like pin in ring finger and cg 1" right of the center line. Would be like 70 x 4.5 x 50 or something like that. Can tweak it just a bit with a hole if you want. You could try 4k to start to see how it reads the midlane.

I wonder what Eric would suggest in this instance for this situation.

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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Thanks river. I was actually toying with that exact layout.
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Pin in the ring finger layout for snick.
I would be a little bit worried that it will be dificult to get it to roll until the lanes get dry enough. So to have the Cg positive as suggested to allow for a balance hole to make it stronger if needed is a good idea. I would only go 1/2" to 3/4" positive in case I liked the reaction as drilled.
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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EricHartwell wrote:Pin in the ring finger layout for snick.
I would be a little bit worried that it will be dificult to get it to roll until the lanes get dry enough. So to have the Cg positive as suggested to allow for a balance hole to make it stronger if needed is a good idea. I would only go 1/2" to 3/4" positive in case I liked the reaction as drilled.
Thanks Eric, I agree.

Even if the top weight was a bit over 3 ounces and the side weight came out just above an ounce he could do just small enough P2 hole to make it legal and still be fine if he liked the reaction before adding the hole.

Edit:
I forgot that the P2 on a symm ball is basically a person's axis or pap. So, what you could do instead is a shallow P3 hole just big enough to make it legal if need be. It shouldn't affect the reaction much at all with it being shallow.
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Pap is 4 3/4 x 3/8 up currently
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Rev rate: around 325 - 350 or so
Axis rotation in the 25-70* range
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Draw the layout you want on the ball, the centerline and midline is enough and guess at finger and thumb hole positions to keep the orientations right. Then weigh the ball for side and finger/thumb weights. The side weight will be almostly exactly what it will be after drilling, the others will be pretty good approximations depending on how deep you drill the holes. -- JohnP
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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Picked up the ball this morning.
Did exactly what JohnP recommended; layout the ball then weigh it.
First layout had 1 1/2 oz side, so I modified the layout slightly, keeping totals at 120º
Ended up with 80º x 4.25 x 40º, 1/2 finger 1/2 side
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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First games on the ball after the city tournament: 215, 242, 227
Lanes were very wet inside and dry to the right.
2" of track flare. Strong arcing ball motion.
Never once failed to roll off the spot, even from deep inside lines.
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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snick wrote:First games on the ball after the city tournament: 215, 242, 227
Lanes were very wet inside and dry to the right.
2" of track flare. Strong arcing ball motion.
Never once failed to roll off the spot, even from deep inside lines.
Glad to hear we got it figured out for you :) I am starting to like this ball as a ball for higher rev people or people who want to play straighter on a house shot.
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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This ball is definitely a wet dream for higher rev players that struggle with controlling front to back ball motion.
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Question about the Arson low flare.I struggle alot on houseshots here.All three bowling alleys here owned by the same guy.They all use same type of pattern.Always wet/dry and plays like its also short.38' or less my guess.Just curious i have been tempted to try the pearl or solid.I just can't justify price when you can buy a very low diff ball much cheaper.Is this ball really that good? Sell me on this ball.I have read lots of reviews all seem to like.Is it because of the better core.I can make any ball low flare by drilling.Not trying to hijack your post in anyway.I love this site for any info I gain.Thanks for any replies.
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Re: Layout for Arson Low Flare

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I wouldn't presume to sell you this ball without first seeing you bowl.
But I will say that for me, this ball seems cover-dominant, fast revving, very responsive to hand position, and eminently usable on medium (40' or longer) wet/dry conditions.
I'm definitely going to tweak the surface; OOB (500/sheen) is too aggressive in the mid-lane for my taste.

For short and/or dry patterns, I prefer the Storm Tropical Breeze with 500/polish.
I rarely have back row issues with this ball and length is very easy.
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