A Video of Me!

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A Video of Me!

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Ok, finally got it all done.
Think I got everything covered in the video.
Pap is 5" over, 1" up

I'm looking for a ball and layout that will let me play in the oil. I can't get away from the second arrow with any success.

Pre-Video Mo recommended this: mania 40 3 1/4 20 with a p4 wt hole and sanded to 360. But I wasn't in a rush, so I wanted to get all my specs looked at, with a solid video for reference before making the decision.

I'm open to all thoughts, criticism, tips, as well as all ball companies. I have a Brunswick Siege that will be here Thursday, and I'm ready to buy whatever you suggest and have it drilled up!

The one thing I did notice in the video is my timing with my push off, and first step don't always occur at the same time, and I think that's effecting my consistency, so I'm gunna work on that tomorrow night in league.

Anyways here it is:

[youtube][/youtube]\

Thanks to Mo, and any/all others who are willing to comment, good or bad.
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Re: A Video of Me!

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Bend that front knee!

It'll give you much better leverage and balance. Which will increase your shotmaking skills exponentially!


I'll take a more detailed look later
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It looks like you are really trying to hit it at the bottom. I notice your head bob down at the release from all of the force you are trying to apply to the ball. As Ron Clifton has said, the force is NOT with you. Try to loosen up your arm, loosen up your swing, and let the ball roll off your hand. That should help with consistency, and opening up the lane a bit.
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Adrenaline wrote:Ok, finally got it all done.
Think I got everything covered in the video.
Pap is 5" over, 1" up

I'm looking for a ball and layout that will let me play in the oil. I can't get away from the second arrow with any success.

Pre-Video Mo recommended this: mania 40 3 1/4 20 with a p4 wt hole and sanded to 360. But I wasn't in a rush, so I wanted to get all my specs looked at, with a solid video for reference before making the decision.

I'm open to all thoughts, criticism, tips, as well as all ball companies. I have a Brunswick Siege that will be here Thursday, and I'm ready to buy whatever you suggest and have it drilled up!

The one thing I did notice in the video is my timing with my push off, and first step don't always occur at the same time, and I think that's effecting my consistency, so I'm gunna work on that tomorrow night in league.

Anyways here it is:

[youtube][/youtube]\

Thanks to Mo, and any/all others who are willing to comment, good or bad.
Kenny
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I can help with the push away (I cringe when I use that word) timing by using the shift/bowl technique. That timing issue is inherent in almost half of the four step bowlers.

The mania will work well with the Siege. It will hook a litle more and have a little more continuation. Use my recommended layout. please.
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Re: A Video of Me!

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what is the shift/bowl technique?
What is the timing issue?
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elgavachon wrote:what is the shift/bowl technique?
What is the timing issue?
I believe the timing issue is an inconsistent pushaway spot amongst many 4 steppers. Starting the feet and the ball a fraction apart between shots is common.

Shift bowl, as I've heard, is a 5 step method. Basically, shift slide foot forward/put weight on it, and then bowl. May not be what Mo has in mind though.
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I see a slight pause as his right heel hits the approach right before his left hand leaves the ball. Is this what you call an inconsistency?
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elgavachon wrote:I see a slight pause as his right heel hits the approach right before his left hand leaves the ball. Is this what you call an inconsistency?
Compare multiple shots. There's a difference, shot-to-shot, in getting the ball started compared to getting the feet started.
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I thought the pause evened that out. Kind of like a three step which didn't start until left heal on second step. So right now the first step of the four is a timing step for a three step approach and he should go to a five step (kind of) . Right now it looks like his timing from his left heal is pretty consistent. by going to a five you are trying to make his timing on his right foot better?
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The shift/bowl techique is a method of getting some momentum going, however small it might be, before you move the ball. 5 step approaches have this inherently, but 4 step approaches can replicate this.

Mo informed me last week, that bowling requires 5 counts to get a good tempo. So, how do you achieve that with a 4 step approach? Simple! You start with the majority of your weight on the back foot, then "shift" your weight to your front foot BEFORE you take first step. This gives you a small amount of momentum from to get the ball moving easier and establish good timing with your first step. Think of it as a pseudo step.

Mo taught me this last week and I swear I saw immediate improvement in timing. Improved timing gave me improved balance at the line. As is so common in this sport, you fix one thing and you actually end up improving other things as well.
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thanks you guys
this is almost a video of me. that is why I am so interested in understanding your ideas.
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You guys work on it. You start with your feet staggered, at least the length of your foot, with all the weight on your push off foot. Shift your weight (don't move your foot) slowly and smoothly to your slide foot, then put the ball in motion. This helps immensely in overcoming inertia. The major draw back to the four step approach. Dave Davis has always done it this way and he was one of the smoothest bowlers of all time.
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Mo Pinel wrote:
You guys work on it. You start with your feet staggered, at least the length of your foot, with all the weight on your push off foot. Shift your weight (don't move your foot) slowly and smoothly to your slide foot, then put the ball in motion. This helps immensely in overcoming inertia. The major draw back to the four step approach. Dave Davis has always done it this way and he was one of the smoothest bowlers of all time.

This approach definitely helped me!!
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One thing I noticed is that your slide foot is not pointing directly toward your target, it's at about a 30* angle toward the right. That creates torque in your lower body and can make your slide inconsistent, pulling you off target. It also makes it more difficult to get the deep knee bend others have recommended. -- JhnP
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JohnP wrote:One thing I noticed is that your slide foot is not pointing directly toward your target, it's at about a 30* angle toward the right. That creates torque in your lower body and can make your slide inconsistent, pulling you off target. It also makes it more difficult to get the deep knee bend others have recommended. -- JhnP
Good spot. I am, however, familiar with some bowlers that can slide that way consistently. Back angle has something to do with it, also. More and more bowlers are waist bend bowlers, which I'm a fan of, if you keep your butt back. Using more knee bend and longer may turn the foot slightly. Cause and effect.
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Good stuff, at the end of the video I explained that I usually have my trailing foot on the floor with a deeper (only a little, I'll be honest) knee bend, but I was trying to make sure I wasn't in the way of the camera. I didn't realize until I got home and loaded the video's that I wasn't close to in the way.

Anyone have insight to what my Speed, Rev Rate, Tilt and rotation are, so that I can write them down for future reference?
I'll be ordering up a Mania soon Mo, and I'll get a video for results.
Tonight during league I'll be paying more attention to my initial timing, because I never noticed until watching this video, that my feet and hand had variations from throw to throw. I always used a 5 step, but when I completely overhauled my approach to be more "textbook" the 4 step was the way to go, to match timing up.

This* video is from 2 years ago now, where I used a 5 step, and my trailing leg use to be WAY in the air. After posting this video on a site back then, is when I was told I had some issues, I decided to start from scratch, and the 4 Step was the recommendation I got, from the research and studying I did.
*[youtube][/youtube]

Final question for Mo.
For the Mania, you said to get a 4" pin, and a low top weight. How low is low? And is this still the proper pin distance after seeing the video?
Thanks,
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Adrenaline wrote:Good stuff, at the end of the video I explained that I usually have my trailing foot on the floor with a deeper (only a little, I'll be honest) knee bend, but I was trying to make sure I wasn't in the way of the camera. I didn't realize until I got home and loaded the video's that I wasn't close to in the way.

Anyone have insight to what my Speed, Rev Rate, Tilt and rotation are, so that I can write them down for future reference?
I'll be ordering up a Mania soon Mo, and I'll get a video for results.
Tonight during league I'll be paying more attention to my initial timing, because I never noticed until watching this video, that my feet and hand had variations from throw to throw. I always used a 5 step, but when I completely overhauled my approach to be more "textbook" the 4 step was the way to go, to match timing up.

This* video is from 2 years ago now, where I used a 5 step, and my trailing leg use to be WAY in the air. After posting this video on a site back then, is when I was told I had some issues, I decided to start from scratch, and the 4 Step was the recommendation I got, from the research and studying I did.
*[youtube][/youtube]

Final question for Mo.
For the Mania, you said to get a 4" pin, and a low top weight. How low is low? And is this still the proper pin distance after seeing the video?
Thanks,
Kenny

TW under 2.9 oz. And I said a 4"+ pin. Still the right choice.
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The video quality is a bit low (especially after converting from Youtube FLV to mpg) so these numbers might be off some. The video also had some dropped frames which could be affecting these numbers, so I'm giving them as a range based on multiple looks at the clips. I compared two different rolls (the 2nd and 3rd with tape from PAP to fingers) and used the Bowlspot.com calculator for speed and revs. I tried enhancing the video / still shot as much as I could (mostly just to find the true edges of the ball)...unlike on TV when you start with a lower quality you usually end up with less detail afterwards, not more.

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MattInTheHat wrote:The video quality is a bit low (especially after converting from Youtube FLV to mpg) so these numbers might be off some. The video also had some dropped frames which could be affecting these numbers, so I'm giving them as a range based on multiple looks at the clips. I compared two different rolls (the 2nd and 3rd with tape from PAP to fingers) and used the Bowlspot.com calculator for speed and revs. I tried enhancing the video / still shot as much as I could (mostly just to find the true edges of the ball)...unlike on TV when you start with a lower quality you usually end up with less detail afterwards, not more.

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Thank you very much!
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