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How should I drill these?

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Okay, I have a Reign of Fire and a Hy-Road that I am using to start building an arsenal and was wondering if you had any suggestions on how to drill them up?

I got my stats from Kegel Training Center
Ball Speed: 18.2-18.5 mph
Rev Rate: 445 (outside), 485 (inside)
PAP: 4 7/8 over 1/2 up

I would like the Hy-Road to be my benchmark ball once I take the polish off of it, and I would like the Reign of Fire to be my heavy oil ball. I only bowl on sport shots with decent volume.

Thanks ahead of time.

Here is a video of me bowling on Chameleon with a RICO Spit Fire and almost RICO Gravity Shift (the pin was an inch up from grip center).
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No video, and any idea of your axis Tilt/Rotation?
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Adrenaline wrote:No video, and any idea of your axis Tilt/Rotation?
Sorry, I put one with the original post, but for some reason it's not there now.

Here's the video:
[youtube][/youtube]
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Motogp69 wrote:Okay, I have a Reign of Fire and a Hy-Road that I am using to start building an arsenal and was wondering if you had any suggestions on how to drill them up?

I got my stats from Kegel Training Center
Ball Speed: 18.2-18.5 mph
Rev Rate: 445 (outside), 485 (inside)
PAP: 4 7/8 over 1/2 up

I would like the Hy-Road to be my benchmark ball once I take the polish off of it, and I would like the Reign of Fire to be my heavy oil ball. I only bowl on sport shots with decent volume.

Thanks ahead of time.

Here is a video of me bowling on Chameleon with a RICO Spit Fire and almost RICO Gravity Shift (the pin was an inch up from grip center).
Need initial axis rotation and axis tilt to recommend effectively and I don't see a video.
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Motogp69 wrote: Sorry, I put one with the original post, but for some reason it's not there now.

Here's the video:
[youtube][/youtube]
The video didn't post in the original.
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Mo Pinel wrote: Need initial axis rotation and axis tilt to recommend effectively and I don't see a video.
How do I find out my Axis Tilt and Axis Rotation?
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Mr. Pinel,

In terms of Axis of Rotation if you are referring to the standard 0, 45, and 90 degrees than I'm typically a 45, but I can change on the fly if need be depending on the condition.
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Motogp69 wrote: How do I find out my Axis Tilt and Axis Rotation?

Measure the distance across your initial track ring. Closest to grip center.

There's a chart in the wiki that will allow you to convert that number from inches to degrees.

Every 1/2" less track diameter of 13.5(full roller track, 0* tilt), is equal to 3.33 degrees of tilt. So 13" track diameter is 3.33 degrees of tilt. 12.5 is 6.66, 12 is 9.99, 11.5 13.32, 11 16.65

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MattCosta7 wrote:
Measure the distance across your initial track ring. Closest to grip center.

There's a chart in the wiki that will allow you to convert that number from inches to degrees.

Every 1/2" less track diameter of 13.5(full roller track, 0* tilt), is equal to 3.33 degrees of tilt. So 13" track diameter is 3.33 degrees of tilt. 12.5 is 6.66, 12 is 9.99, 11.5 13.32, 11 16.65

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Yeah, I'm going to measure it this afternoon. What about Axis Rotation? Or was I correct that he mean the standard 0,45, 90 degrees to the foul line method?
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Motogp69 wrote: Yeah, I'm going to measure it this afternoon. What about Axis Rotation? Or was I correct that he mean the standard 0,45, 90 degrees to the foul line method?
Estimates are the most practical way to measure it. There is a very extensive process to getting the exact number, that I once read in Mo's book, but I can't recall it, and I've never put it into practice. If you can visualize in 15 degree intervals, rather than 45, you'll get much more exacting information. 0,15,30,45,60,75,90

Base these both off your A game release, unless you're setting something up with the precondition that you'll be using it mostly with a B or C release
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MattCosta7 wrote: Estimates are the most practical way to measure it. There is a very extensive process to getting the exact number, that I once read in Mo's book, but I can't recall it, and I've never put it into practice. If you can visualize in 15 degree intervals, rather than 45, you'll get much more exacting information. 0,15,30,45,60,75,90

Base these both off your A game release, unless you're setting something up with the precondition that you'll be using it mostly with a B or C release
There was a picture of a ball with a grid system that can be used to visualize and estimate the axis rotation posted on the site in the past couple of days. It should be posted in the wiki so we may reference it in the future. Anyone remember which post it was in or the location in the wiki?
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elgavachon wrote:here is a link to it http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index. ... ltball.JPG
exactly my point about the use of the wiki... Thanks elgavachon!
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Okay well my tilt is 3 degrees, almost the circumfrence of the ball.
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Motogp69 wrote:Okay well my tilt is 3 degrees, almost the circumference of the ball.
I finally got to see the video.

Here are the specs that I am working with for you:
right handed
ball speed: approx. 18.5 mph in the heads
rev rate: 450 rpms
axis rotation: 45*
axis tilt: 3*

Hyroad as a benchmark ball: 70 / 4 1/2 / 40 with a P2 hole sanded 4000
Reign of Fire as a heavy oil ball: "Double Thumb" with box surface (1000)

Now, to help your delivery: get your right foot on the ground at the end of your follow thru to help you to stop from hitting up on the ball. The bird that stands on one leg is indigenous to Florida and is called a flamingo. There should not be any flamingos in bowling.
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Can someone explain to me what my tilt means in relation to my other stats? My tilt track diameter on average was 26 1/2 to 26 3/4 if I'm doing it write.
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Motogp69 wrote:Can someone explain to me what my tilt means in relation to my other stats? My tilt track diameter on average was 26 1/2 to 26 3/4 if I'm doing it write.
Not possible! The distance across the track on the surface of the ball CANNOT exceed 13 1/2". That's how the axis tilt chart reads.
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Perhaps he means circumference?
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Mo Pinel wrote: Not possible! The distance across the track on the surface of the ball CANNOT exceed 13 1/2". That's how the axis tilt chart reads.
Sorry, meant circumfrence. So what are your thoughts?
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3* tilt would mean that you have very little axis tilt. It means that you will need to use layouts that assist in retaining tilt, in order to maximize carry.

It will mean that every revolution of the ball covers more surface, typically leading to an earlier read on the lane, and a smoother hook motion once it encounters friction.

It will also assist in making you more Rev Dominant than speed dominant. This is in addition to the RPM/Speed differences.
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