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Post by vjohnnyv55 »

Does anyone know what are the most popular layouts the pros use. When you watch the ball motion in slow motion
The balls look like they get into roll really late. They look like the roll starts about a 15 inches from the head pin.
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Very seldom do you get the information needed to know what the pros are using.
Sure you get speed and revs but that is just not enough info.
If we knew their PAP's then we could estimate what layouts they have. You gotta believe they have several of the same ball with all different layouts.
They are making ball changes without you even noticing.

I am sure their layouts are tuned many different ways.
If you are consistently seeing this with a bowler there are several ways to keep the roll that close to the pocket.
Layouts and ball changes are one way. Changing the release and moving are others.

The one common denominator, they are all trying to get the ball to roll.
A rolling ball has a better chance to strike than a skidding one.

Here at BowlingChat we have learned the Dual Angle Layout Method.
It takes into consideration Speed, Revs, Rotation and Tilt to Tune Layouts to that Roll phase.
Different layouts for different lane conditions while using the same release.

A bowlers ability to adjust any or all of these release factors to fine tune things even further for ever changing lane conditions is what really separates the pros from us mortals.
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vjohnnyv55 wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 3:12 am Does anyone know what are the most popular layouts the pros use. When you watch the ball motion in slow motion
The balls look like they get into roll really late. They look like the roll starts about a 15 inches from the head pin.
Generally high level bowlers don't want the ball to get into the roll phase too early to avoid deflection in the pocket and flat 10s. They are choosing layouts to create a longer hook phase for a smoother reaction and more 'continuation' through the pins. Most keep it simple with pin up or pin down on symm core balls, using longer pin to pap distances as the majority are rev dominant. 2-handers are all pin up these days.
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saw what seemed to be 5" pin to pap layouts on a lot of balls this weekend.. I always look to see what layouts they are using when ever possible.

What you dont see is short pin to pap layouts... 3" or less
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The pros will most often use urethane rather than short pin to pap layouts on reactive balls.
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ICURNVS wrote: January 24th, 2022, 3:58 pm saw what seemed to be 5" pin to pap layouts on a lot of balls this weekend.. I always look to see what layouts they are using when ever possible.

What you dont see is short pin to pap layouts... 3" or less
The shorter pin to PAP is for bowlers who are either Rev dominant or speed deficient.
From what I can tell for the most part the Pros have enough speed and are fairly well Matched.

Were they 5" "Pin to PAP"? Looked to me like it could be even more than that.
Without knowing the PAP its just a guess based on your perception of PAP.

I haven't watched all the bowling yet, but I will. The little bit I have watched I saw some layouts on the extreme.
Pin Way up high on the long oil side.
Also saw one Pin being used on the Short oil side that was very much perceived by me as being on the VAL or even further negative.
I don't remember the name of the bowler.
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For the most part I’ve noticed a generic pin up and pin down layout on bowlers Instagram pages, then they’ll drill a different layout after practice day if the conditions call for it. They have access to more equipment so they’ll change ball vs layout because they still have to pay even if it’s a discount
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Eric, I believe I am close to matched but on the speed deficient side. Therefore, I utilize reactive short pin layouts for house shots generally. I can use strong pins but they will roll-out earlier than wanted and the carry is often marginal. many tens some flat and others wrap around and ringing types. On all of my drillings, surface is the most important and I have learned what is good for me generally. Currently my 3 inch Crux and 2 1/2 inch Zenith are my go to balls for league.
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Now we are talking about Not Pro Layouts. "Layouts that are not necessarily for the pros"

I'm digging my 80-2.5-40 Quantum EVO Pearl on house shots.
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