Low Tilt Layouts

Which layout is right for me?

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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
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Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by EricHartwell »

It is all dependent on the surface prep and actual lane condition. The most dull one will be the earliest.
With Symmetrical balls you don't get the option of the core starting it up any earlier with layouts.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by jobowl »

Okay Thanks
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by jobowl »

Will there be a considerable difference between a Pin in the Ring Layout a Low Flare 5 1/2 inch Layout and a 1 1/2 to 2 inch Layout on.a Symetrical ball like a Phaze 2 or IQ Tour on a shorter pattern considering my specs ?
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by EricHartwell »

Long pin to PAP Symmetrical is a longer slower hook. Short Pin to PAP is more skid snap.

I've tried the Short Pin to PAP Symmetrical. The only time I achieved good carry percentage was rolling it with very low rotation. Playing very straight.

You will not like the carry percentage of a short pin to PAP Symmetrical. It loses tilt too fast.
With your high rotation the ball will still be trying to hook as it hits the pocket.
Eric Hartwell

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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Joined: February 8th, 2015, 11:28 pm
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Axis Tilt: 7
Axis Rotation: 80
Preferred Company: storm/roto....motiv

Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by jobowl »

Just a question...my PSO told me that for me as I move inside of 3rd arrow that 4.5 to 5 inch pins may be better on asymmetric as they would be cleaner and not to angular to the pocket...do you agree...4.5 to 5 inch symmetric seem good from there...should I just plug a.ball and try?
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

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No.
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Axis Rotation: 45
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Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by EricHartwell »

Your PSO is suggesting you use one of the sport layouts I gave you. Try the Med Sport layout.
EricHartwell wrote: February 1st, 2020, 11:45 pm Asymmetrical Sport layouts
Short Sport ....... 30-4.5-55 Adjust to Pin the the Ring finger
Med Sport ......... 30-5-45
Long Sport ........ 35-5.25-35
Eric Hartwell

Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
jobowl
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Posts: 82
Joined: February 8th, 2015, 11:28 pm
THS Average: 222
Sport Average: 204
Positive Axis Point: 5 over 1 1/16 up
Speed: 17 mph at the line
Rev Rate: 270
Axis Tilt: 7
Axis Rotation: 80
Preferred Company: storm/roto....motiv

Re: Low Tilt Layouts

Post by jobowl »

Okay will try it on a plugged ball first
ball speed 17.5
rev rate 270
axis tilt 7 degrees
axis rotation 80 degrees
pap 5 over 1 1/16 up
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