I'm bowling in a house this year where the transition just sucks. Heads/mids go and the ball just stands up too quick. Can't tell you how many times I've seen/bowled 250-260 then struggle to shoot 210 the next game. Carry just dies in an instant. It's a heavier volume house pattern (25-26 mL, 41'), doesn't matter, the surface in that place is horrible.
I think I've done pretty much all I can do physically (speed, angle, tilt, rotation) and with surface, so, I'm going to try a different layout.
For the first half of the year, I've been using medium VAL angles (40-50). It's the same thing on a consistent basis. Big first game, then I get to practice shooting corners for the next 15-20 frames.
So, since the ball is checking up, would a higher VAL help fight the hook/set look I'm getting? I'm talking a VAL of 70+. Something smoother off the spot, but maybe doesn't slam on the brakes and change direction about 2 feet too quick.
Higher VAL vs. early hook?
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Higher VAL vs. early hook?
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JMerrell wrote:Mongo,
We need to work on getting that teddy bear body of yours more open throughout the approach.
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Re: Higher VAL vs. early hook?
Dont grab it?
Throw the ball cleaner off your hand.
Throw the ball cleaner off your hand.
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Re: Higher VAL vs. early hook?
I don't think a Larger VAL Angle by itself is going to be what you are looking for. If you are convinced a layout will help than I would suggest an Asymmetrical low flare.
The problem being the lane topography is taking over once the fresh oil is depleted. The friction and gravitational effects are burning tilt, rotation and speed from your ball. Like MegaMav said your release needs to help compensate for this.
The problem being the lane topography is taking over once the fresh oil is depleted. The friction and gravitational effects are burning tilt, rotation and speed from your ball. Like MegaMav said your release needs to help compensate for this.
Eric Hartwell
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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330 rev rate
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Re: Higher VAL vs. early hook?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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JMerrell wrote:Mongo,
We need to work on getting that teddy bear body of yours more open throughout the approach.
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Re: Higher VAL vs. early hook?
Have to agree with Eric regarding the low flare layout. I recall that I suggested that a while back. Have you given it a try yet?EricHartwell wrote: ↑January 12th, 2020, 1:30 am I don't think a Larger VAL Angle by itself is going to be what you are looking for. If you are convinced a layout will help than I would suggest an Asymmetrical low flare.
The problem being the lane topography is taking over once the fresh oil is depleted. The friction and gravitational effects are burning tilt, rotation and speed from your ball. Like MegaMav said your release needs to help compensate for this.
KyBOB
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STATS:
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PAP = 4"< x 1"^
Speed = 18-19 off hand
Rev Rate = 250-275
AR = 45*-50*
AT = 23*
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STATS:
LH
PAP = 4"< x 1"^
Speed = 18-19 off hand
Rev Rate = 250-275
AR = 45*-50*
AT = 23*