Nano Layout Advice
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Nano Layout Advice
Hello everyone,
I just got my Virtual Gravity Nano yesterday and I am looking forward to trying a dual angle layout for the first time. It is 15lbs with a 3 inch pin and 3.0 top weight. I am looking for this to replace my strongest ball in my arsenal, yet be able to play to torunamnet shots and I plan on bringing it with me to Nationals.
Here are my stats:
Right Handed
Pap - 5" over, 3/4" up
Speed - 16 mph
Rev Rate - 250 rpm
Axis tilt - 5 to 8 degrees
Axis Rotation - 65 degrees
Lane Surface - I bowl on synthetics most of the time
Thanks in advance for all the help.
I just got my Virtual Gravity Nano yesterday and I am looking forward to trying a dual angle layout for the first time. It is 15lbs with a 3 inch pin and 3.0 top weight. I am looking for this to replace my strongest ball in my arsenal, yet be able to play to torunamnet shots and I plan on bringing it with me to Nationals.
Here are my stats:
Right Handed
Pap - 5" over, 3/4" up
Speed - 16 mph
Rev Rate - 250 rpm
Axis tilt - 5 to 8 degrees
Axis Rotation - 65 degrees
Lane Surface - I bowl on synthetics most of the time
Thanks in advance for all the help.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
I got you as matched, with low tilt and medium-high rotation. That gives you 105°±20°, with ratios of 2.25:1-1.25:1 and pins of 2"-4", 3"-5" sym.pneumatic wrote: Speed - 16 mph
Rev Rate - 250 rpm
Axis tilt - 5 to 8 degrees
Axis Rotation - 65 degrees.
Since you want it for the sloppy stuff, I would say 50° / 3.25" / 35° should do you JUST fine. Play with the surface until you get the look you want, then decide on a weight hole placement to fine tune it.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Where is the speed measured?
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Made a minor adjustment. It's in white above. Good work!!! I'd use a P3 hole, probably.kellytehuna wrote: I got you as matched, with low tilt and medium-high rotation. That gives you 105°±20°, with ratios of 2.25:1-1.25:1 and pins of 2"-4", 3"-5" sym.
Since you want it for the sloppy stuff, I would say 55° / 3.25" / 30° should do you JUST fine. Play with the surface until you get the look you want, then decide on a weight hole placement to fine tune it.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
I used the wiki to calculate it so that would be off the hand, correct?elgavachon wrote:Where is the speed measured?
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Thanks Mo and Kelly! I am looking forward to trying this out.Mo Pinel wrote: Made a minor adjustment. It's in white above. Good work!!! I'd use a P3 hole, probably.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
I'm curious, was your cg way out of line to the left of the pin to MB line? I got two in yesterday, and both were WAY out of line left, probably 2", and had 3 1/2 & 4 oz of top weight. It wasn't a problem, I was able to get a good layout and both customers were very well satisfied. I'm just curious if this is somehow a function of the core in the ball. By the way, the Nano is a very strong ball. -- JohnP
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
It is funny that you mention that because as I was laying it out with Mo's reccomendation I noticed that the cg was high and didn't think that the P3 hole would work because of this. I have not punched it out yet but here is a picture (sorry for the bad quality)JohnP wrote:I'm curious, was your cg way out of line to the left of the pin to MB line? I got two in yesterday, and both were WAY out of line left, probably 2", and had 3 1/2 & 4 oz of top weight. It wasn't a problem, I was able to get a good layout and both customers were very well satisfied. I'm just curious if this is somehow a function of the core in the ball. By the way, the Nano is a very strong ball. -- JohnP
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Where exactly will the thumb and finger holes land up? I can see the center of grip, but if you could draw the thumb and finger holes that would help. Then, we can go from there:)
Stats:
Right handed
Pap is 4 3/4 x 3/8 up currently
Speed around 16.5 off hand
Tilt in the 14-16* range
Rev rate: around 325 - 350 or so
Axis rotation in the 25-70* range
I bowl on Brunswick synthetics. Ths...
Right handed
Pap is 4 3/4 x 3/8 up currently
Speed around 16.5 off hand
Tilt in the 14-16* range
Rev rate: around 325 - 350 or so
Axis rotation in the 25-70* range
I bowl on Brunswick synthetics. Ths...
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Just drill the fingers deep. Drill the MF 4" deep and the RF 3 1/2" deep. Should be able to do it now. Start small (2 1/2" deep) and increase the size until you have 7/8 oz. of finger weight. That will work. I know where the fingers and thumb go.pneumatic wrote: It is funny that you mention that because as I was laying it out with Mo's reccomendation I noticed that the cg was high and didn't think that the P3 hole would work because of this. I have punched it out yet but here is a picture (sorry for the bad quality)
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
I did consider drilling the fingers deep, but I just wanted to see your suggestion first. Mo, is the reason you are suggesting a P3 hole to help to ball push a little bit being that the cover is so strong? (still trying to learn this stuff)
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
pneumatic wrote:I did consider drilling the fingers deep, but I just wanted to see your suggestion first. Mo, is the reason you are suggesting a P3 hole to help to ball push a little bit being that the cover is so strong? (still trying to learn this stuff)
I worked with the ball a lot yesterday. I does hook, not as much as a DestroyR so far in my experience. A little smoother transition than the DestroyR. P3 will firm up the break point read. I still believe I gave you the right layout.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Thanks again for all the help. I will try your your finger drilling suggestions.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
While I was trying to be creative, I see that Mo has already commented on this, so really nothing much more to say. The P3 might not be as low as you think it is with the new update on the Gradient Line System. Drill the fingers deep, and mark the new P3 hole and you should be able to get it there.
BTW, is that the only Nano he has? If not, I would try to trade one for a longer pin or lower top weight to make it easier to achieve the drilling suggested.
BTW, is that the only Nano he has? If not, I would try to trade one for a longer pin or lower top weight to make it easier to achieve the drilling suggested.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
MeNo, yes this is currently the only Nano I have. I thought I saw a thread showing this new gradient line system but could not remember where it was. Thanks for the picture, I will locate the P3 according to this new scale.
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
nice pic meno!!MeNoRevs wrote:
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
MathIsTruth wrote: nice pic meno!!
lol, thanks, I have to do something while I am at work
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Re: Nano Layout Advice
Could you change it to "Connect P1 to PAP and continue on the line drawn from PAP to MB"MeNoRevs wrote: lol, thanks, I have to do something while I am at work
Sorry for my anality meno!
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