New Bowler, looking for layout help

Which layout is right for me?

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New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by captainzildo » May 24th, 2019, 1:21 am

Hello all, I'm in my first year of bowling. Today I went to my lanes and had my PSO give me a run on bowler I.D. to get some info. I was curious to see if anyone had dual angle layouts for 3 kinds of balls (Solid Asym, Pearl Asym, Sold Sym) on a THS shot.

Right Handed
Rev Rate: 165
Ball speed: 14mph (At release)
PAP: 6 1/2 by 1 1/2 up
Tilt: -3.5 degrees (Not quite sure why negative)
Rotation: 75 degrees

Thanks!

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Positive Axis Point: 5.625" x 0
Speed: 17 off hand
Rev Rate: 360
Axis Tilt: 7
Axis Rotation: 55
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Medium Oil Ball: Storm JoyRide
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Re: New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by snick » May 24th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Are you a full roller?
Benchmark Bowling Pro Shop
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PAP: 5.625" x 0
REVRATE: 360
SPEED: 17mph at release
AR: 55º
AT: 7º

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Re: New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by captainzildo » May 24th, 2019, 6:27 pm

I don’t believe so. I was told “3/4ths” roller based on my track. Near/over thumb, but away from fingers.

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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
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Re: New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by EricHartwell » May 24th, 2019, 9:47 pm

captainzildo wrote:I don’t believe so. I was told “3/4ths” roller based on my track. Near/over thumb, but away from fingers.
Something is amiss with either the PAP or Tilt measurement.
Attached shows where the initial track should be, -3*Tilt. Basically you are a full roller that errors on the side of negative.

Being so new to the game I would suggest some coaching to teach you to roll the ball 3/4.
Then worry about layouts.
Get all your Stats redone before investing.

Unless you want to roll the ball the way you do and bouncing over the thumb.
Bouncing over gripping holes is never a good idea

Otherwise I would put full roller layouts on them especially if you go with the interchangeable thumb holes.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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Re: New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by captainzildo » May 25th, 2019, 9:21 pm

Thanks Eric. I think you're right. When we manually measured my tilt on one of my own balls, it was closer to 3 degrees. Does this make a difference? Thanks again.

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Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
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Re: New Bowler, looking for layout help

Post by EricHartwell » May 25th, 2019, 10:10 pm

Attached is what 3 deg of tilt looks like.
You still track through the grip and that allows you to use the full roller layout and not have the ball bouncing over the holes.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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