Low speed, low tilt, high axis rotation

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Low speed, low tilt, high axis rotation

Post by Mongo » April 9th, 2019, 7:57 pm

I've got a teammate who consistently struggles the second the heads start to go away. I know he needs length with recovery, but he keeps buying stronger stuff. Currently, he's got 3-4 NIB and is asking me how to lay one out to give him some extra pop. I want to tell him take some lessons and pick up some ball speed, but I'm nice, so I'm looking at what he's got

His specs
Ball speed - 14.5-15.5
RPM - 250-275
Rotation - 80
Tilt - 7

His ball choices

C300 Impulse
Ebonite Source
Ebonite Real One

My initial suggestion is the Impulse at 80 x 4 x 20. Shiny hybrid should clear the fronts and the 4:1 ratio should be plenty angular enough.

I'm more than open to other suggestions.
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Re: Low speed, low tilt, high axis rotation

Post by elgavachon » April 9th, 2019, 9:16 pm

Mongo wrote:I've got a teammate who consistently struggles the second the heads start to go away. I know he needs length with recovery, but he keeps buying stronger stuff. Currently, he's got 3-4 NIB and is asking me how to lay one out to give him some extra pop. I want to tell him take some lessons and pick up some ball speed, but I'm nice, so I'm looking at what he's got

His specs
Ball speed - 14.5-15.5
RPM - 250-275
Rotation - 80
Tilt - 7

His ball choices

C300 Impulse
Ebonite Source
Ebonite Real One

My initial suggestion is the Impulse at 80 x 4 x 20. Shiny hybrid should clear the fronts and the 4:1 ratio should be plenty angular enough.

I'm more than open to other suggestions.
I think the Impulse is symmetrical, so you will take what you get for ratios (factor in the thumb-hole location). For length, you add the sums of the angles, so the larger you can make them, the more length you will achieve. Even on an asymmetrical ball, 20* with a large drilling angle will be very uncontrollable (condition specific) for his specs. Has he ever tried Mo's low flare layouts on asymmetrical balls?

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Re: Low speed, low tilt, high axis rotation

Post by EricHartwell » April 9th, 2019, 10:21 pm

I'm definitely with elgavachon with the low flare set up on an Asym.

I always start with the Benchmark and work from there.
100* totals 2.25:1 Ratio
Benchmark .................... 70-3.5-30
Long and Strong ............ 90-3.5-30
Control ......................... 75-3-45
low flare ....................... 90-2-30

Ebonite Source .............. 90-3.5-30
Ebonite Real One ........... 90-2-30
C300 Impulse ............... xx-5-30 drill the thumb hole deep
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45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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