Benchmark Layout

Which layout is right for me?

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SRB442
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Benchmark Layout

Post by SRB442 » February 5th, 2019, 1:28 am

Hi,
I am new to the board and am looking for a starter/benchmark layout for my specs in my signature. I bowl on typical house shots but want to understand layouts better and could use some help. I bowl on synthetic lanes. Thanks Steve
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PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

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Re: Benchmark Layout

Post by EricHartwell » February 5th, 2019, 2:28 am

Welcome to BowlingChat

Right Handed
PAP 5 1/4 over flat
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 330
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

Sweetspot 100* Total, 2:1 Ratio
Asymmetrical Benchmark 65-4-35

The Asymmetrical Benchmark is a Strong layout for THS. Unless you feel like you are bowling on a flood and need layout help to get the ball to hook and roll.

What ball are you thinking about getting?

For Asymmetrical balls I suggest either the Long and Strong, Control or low flare layout for the typical house shot.
Long and Strong ........... 85-4-35
Control ........................ 65-4-55
low flare ...................... 85-2.25-35

Symmetrical layouts
Benchmark ................. xx-4.25-30
Control ...................... xx-4.5-50 pin in ring finger

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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

SRB442
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Posts: 24
Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
THS Average: 215
Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Speed: 14 mph at pins
Rev Rate: 300
Axis Tilt: 13
Axis Rotation: 61
Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Halo Vision
Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip Idol Pro/Roto Grip Halo Pearl
Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip MVP
Preferred Company: Roto Grip
Location: Rochester N.Y.

Re: Benchmark Layout

Post by SRB442 » February 5th, 2019, 1:48 pm

Thank you for the reply. I don't know what I want to get drilled next. I am a Roto Grip guy as it gets to confusing with all the different stuff out there. I have mostly pearls and hybrids so was looking at getting a solid this time. So either winner solid, Idol solid or Halo solid. This is what I take typically on league.

No Rules Pearl 65 x 4.75 x 35
Winner Pearl 60 x 5 x 40
Hywire 55 x 5 x 35
All out show off 60 x 4.75 x 40
Haywire which I don't have numbers on but similar to the above balls.

So I need a stronger solid/pearl/hybrid. I do have a Hypercell skid drilled 45 x 4 x 40 which just has never worked for me.

It looks like I am on the right track layout wise and thank you. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

SRB442
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Posts: 24
Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
THS Average: 215
Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Speed: 14 mph at pins
Rev Rate: 300
Axis Tilt: 13
Axis Rotation: 61
Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Halo Vision
Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip Idol Pro/Roto Grip Halo Pearl
Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip MVP
Preferred Company: Roto Grip
Location: Rochester N.Y.

Re: Benchmark Layout

Post by SRB442 » February 8th, 2019, 2:47 pm

EricHartwell wrote:Welcome to BowlingChat

Right Handed
PAP 5 1/4 over flat
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 330
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

Sweetspot 100* Total, 2:1 Ratio
Asymmetrical Benchmark 65-4-35

The Asymmetrical Benchmark is a Strong layout for THS. Unless you feel like you are bowling on a flood and need layout help to get the ball to hook and roll.

What ball are you thinking about getting?

For Asymmetrical balls I suggest either the Long and Strong, Control or low flare layout for the typical house shot.
Long and Strong ........... 85-4-35
Control ........................ 65-4-55
low flare ...................... 85-2.25-35

Symmetrical layouts
Benchmark ................. xx-4.25-30
Control ...................... xx-4.5-50 pin in ring finger

Check out the BCU BowlingChat University to gain a better understanding of the Dual Angle system.
Image Click on this button located at the top of the page.

Eric I have a question . Why on the symmetrical layouts are there xx on the first drilling angle? Also when you say 2:1 ratio that means the first drilling angle should be twice the second drilling angle. Thanks Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
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Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
Location: Michigan

Re: Benchmark Layout

Post by EricHartwell » February 9th, 2019, 1:26 am

SRB442 wrote:Eric I have a question . Why on the symmetrical layouts are there xx on the first drilling angle? Also when you say 2:1 ratio that means the first drilling angle should be twice the second drilling angle. Thanks Steve
The Ratio is Drilling Angle : VAL Angle

And yes with a 2:1 Ratio the Drilling angle is twice that of the VAL Angle.
When I figured your Benchmark I rounded the numbers to the nearest 5* otherwise your Benchmark would be 66.667 - 4 - 33.333

As far as the xx in the Symmetrical layouts, the Drilling angle is not adjustable it is what it is and that will basically be the thumbhole location. Cg location does not affect the drilling angle. With the new rules you can basically put it anywhere you want. I would suggest putting the Cg towards the grip center.
Eric Hartwell

Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

SRB442
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Posts: 24
Joined: February 2nd, 2019, 8:37 pm
THS Average: 215
Positive Axis Point: 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Speed: 14 mph at pins
Rev Rate: 300
Axis Tilt: 13
Axis Rotation: 61
Heavy Oil Ball: Roto Grip Halo Vision
Medium Oil Ball: Roto Grip Idol Pro/Roto Grip Halo Pearl
Light Oil Ball: Roto Grip MVP
Preferred Company: Roto Grip
Location: Rochester N.Y.

Re: Benchmark Layout

Post by SRB442 » February 9th, 2019, 5:54 pm

EricHartwell wrote: The Ratio is Drilling Angle : VAL Angle

And yes with a 2:1 Ratio the Drilling angle is twice that of the VAL Angle.
When I figured your Benchmark I rounded the numbers to the nearest 5* otherwise your Benchmark would be 66.667 - 4 - 33.333

As far as the xx in the Symmetrical layouts, the Drilling angle is not adjustable it is what it is and that will basically be the thumbhole location. Cg location does not affect the drilling angle. With the new rules you can basically put it anywhere you want. I would suggest putting the Cg towards the grip center.
Thank You Eric. Steve
Right Handed
PAP 4 9/16 over 1 1/8 up
Tilt 13 Degrees
Axis Tilt 61 Degrees
Rev Rate 300
Speed 14 MPH at the pins

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