FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Which layout is right for me?

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Lledsmarttam
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FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Post by Lledsmarttam » December 27th, 2018, 6:15 am

Just wanted to reach out here and ask a few questions about the full roller layout as I have never drilled nor actually seen this type of bowler/release until tonight.

1)Are all full roller layouts generic?

2)Do you use a pap when drilling for this type of bowler?

3)Is there anything used for thirst types of layouts to change performance?

I have seen such things as drilling fingers or thumb deeper to alter reaction but no other real changes to the layout from most drilling guides I have looked at.
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Re: FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Post by elgavachon » December 27th, 2018, 8:40 am

Lledsmarttam wrote:Just wanted to reach out here and ask a few questions about the full roller layout as I have never drilled nor actually seen this type of bowler/release until tonight.

1)Are all full roller layouts generic?

2)Do you use a pap when drilling for this type of bowler?

3)Is there anything used for thirst types of layouts to change performance?

I have seen such things as drilling fingers or thumb deeper to alter reaction but no other real changes to the layout from most drilling guides I have looked at.

Have you read these articles from the wiki? under layouts. There is no mention of drilling off the PAP and they appear generic to me.

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Re: FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Post by JohnP » December 27th, 2018, 4:32 pm

The "normal" full roller track is between the thumb and finger holes. The layout is designed to reverse the flare (compared to a layout for a semi-roller) to avoid flaring into the holes. So the layout options are limited. If the bowler doesn't mind the disadvantages of hitting the holes, primarily the rough roll and greater chances of cracking at the holes, the standard layouts should work. Most bowlers can't stand the thumping that results.

With the advent of no-thumb releases another type of full roller has emerged, one that tracks the entire diameter of the ball, zero axis tilt, but is located in the semi-roller position. Regular semi-roller layouts work fine for this type. -- JohnP

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Re: FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Post by Lledsmarttam » December 28th, 2018, 1:30 am

elgavachon Yes they do mostly appear generic. I see some from different manufacturers that show a pap but never really reference it in the layouts. Thanks
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Re: FULL ROLLER LAYOUT HELP

Post by Lledsmarttam » January 11th, 2019, 5:10 pm

JohnP wrote:The "normal" full roller track is between the thumb and finger holes. The layout is designed to reverse the flare (compared to a layout for a semi-roller) to avoid flaring into the holes. So the layout options are limited. If the bowler doesn't mind the disadvantages of hitting the holes, primarily the rough roll and greater chances of cracking at the holes, the standard layouts should work. Most bowlers can't stand the thumping that results.

With the advent of no-thumb releases another type of full roller has emerged, one that tracks the entire diameter of the ball, zero axis tilt, but is located in the semi-roller position. Regular semi-roller layouts work fine for this type. -- JohnP
The bowler in question is definitely a full roller. He has his first true full roller layout done several years ago and has other balls drilled with traditional semi-roller layouts on them. He says he prefers the full roller because as you said no thumping! And he uses his thumb.


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