Tournament arsenal for the wife
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- fufu
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- Axis Rotation: 55
Tournament arsenal for the wife
Specs:
Avg: 220-230
Tilt: 22*
Axis Rotation: 65*
Speed: 14.5 to 15(monitors), 2.82sec from release to pins, with a tendency to be firm
Rev Rate: 257
PAP: 4.75>, .75^
Favorite ball: Intense Fire: 30x4.75x60
Others:
Rotogrip Halo 15x4.75x30
Storm Hyroad Nano Xx5x40
Storm Phase II Xx4x60(2nd favorite ball)
Storm Code Red Xx4x30
Rotogrip Winner Xx4x30
By my calculations, I have a starting ratio of 1:1.75.
Sums: 85-90
Asymmetrical Pins: 4.5-5.5
Symmetrical Pins: 3-4”
Obviously, she struggles on heavier and/or longer oil. She is going to bowl a few more regionals this year, the National Queens and other demanding condition tournaments combined with some house shot tournaments.
Avg: 220-230
Tilt: 22*
Axis Rotation: 65*
Speed: 14.5 to 15(monitors), 2.82sec from release to pins, with a tendency to be firm
Rev Rate: 257
PAP: 4.75>, .75^
Favorite ball: Intense Fire: 30x4.75x60
Others:
Rotogrip Halo 15x4.75x30
Storm Hyroad Nano Xx5x40
Storm Phase II Xx4x60(2nd favorite ball)
Storm Code Red Xx4x30
Rotogrip Winner Xx4x30
By my calculations, I have a starting ratio of 1:1.75.
Sums: 85-90
Asymmetrical Pins: 4.5-5.5
Symmetrical Pins: 3-4”
Obviously, she struggles on heavier and/or longer oil. She is going to bowl a few more regionals this year, the National Queens and other demanding condition tournaments combined with some house shot tournaments.
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- EricHartwell
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- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
What weight is she rolling?
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- fufu
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- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
14 good sir
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- EricHartwell
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- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
I would benchmark at 80* Totals 1:1.75 Ratiofufu wrote:Specs:
Avg: 220-230
Tilt: 22*
Axis Rotation: 65*
Speed: 14.5 to 15(monitors), 2.82sec from release to pins, with a tendency to be firm
Rev Rate: 257
PAP: 4.75>, .75^
Favorite ball: Intense Fire: 30x4.75x60
Others:
Rotogrip Halo 15x4.75x30
Storm Hyroad Nano Xx5x40
Storm Phase II Xx4x60(2nd favorite ball)
Storm Code Red Xx4x30
Rotogrip Winner Xx4x30
By my calculations, I have a starting ratio of 1:1.75.
Sums: 85-90
Asymmetrical Pins: 4.5-5.5
Symmetrical Pins: 3-4”
Obviously, she struggles on heavier and/or longer oil. She is going to bowl a few more regionals this year, the National Queens and other demanding condition tournaments combined with some house shot tournaments.
The totals on the Halo are just too low.
I would Plug and redrill or replace with a Totally Strong type layout 30-5-30.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- fufu
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- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
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- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
Thank you for your help.
So my sums of 85-90 are reduced to 80 by virtue of her being speed dominant plus high tilt/rotation??
So my sums of 85-90 are reduced to 80 by virtue of her being speed dominant plus high tilt/rotation??
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- EricHartwell
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- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
That is correct.fufu wrote:Thank you for your help.
So my sums of 85-90 are reduced to 80 by virtue of her being speed dominant plus high tilt/rotation??
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- fufu
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- Posts: 451
- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
- THS Average: 230
- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
Totally Strong ........... 30x5x30
Midlane .................... 15x5x45
Benchmark ............... 45x4.5x35
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30
Control...................... 45x5x55
Eric, I've been really trying to dial in the ratio chart.
Please critique as necessary but here is what i calculated.
I see now that the Halo is outside of the normal parameters for her. She has only thrown in a handful of times, once being at a PWBA regional using the Mark Roth 42' pattern.
Midlane .................... 15x5x45
Benchmark ............... 45x4.5x35
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30
Control...................... 45x5x55
Eric, I've been really trying to dial in the ratio chart.
Please critique as necessary but here is what i calculated.
I see now that the Halo is outside of the normal parameters for her. She has only thrown in a handful of times, once being at a PWBA regional using the Mark Roth 42' pattern.
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- EricHartwell
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- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
Looks like you got the ratio backwards on the Benchmark.
Working with the lower ratio for higher tilt bowlers gets confusing.
It is easy to get backwards.
80* total, 1:1.75 Ratio
80/2.75=29.09, 80-30=50
Benchmark 30-4.5-50
Working with the lower ratio for higher tilt bowlers gets confusing.
It is easy to get backwards.
80* total, 1:1.75 Ratio
80/2.75=29.09, 80-30=50
Benchmark 30-4.5-50
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- fufu
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- Posts: 451
- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
- THS Average: 230
- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
I redid the math...EricHartwell wrote:Looks like you got the ratio backwards on the Benchmark.
Working with the lower ratio for higher tilt bowlers gets confusing.
It is easy to get backwards.
80* total, 1:1.75 Ratio
80/2.75=29.09, 80-30=50
Benchmark 30-4.5-50
Totally Strong ........... 20x5x40
Midlane .................... 30x5x30
Benchmark ............... 30x4.5x50
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30
Control...................... 45x5x55
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- EricHartwell
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- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
corrections in color abovefufu wrote:
I redid the math...
Totally Strong ........... 20x5x40 30-5-30
Midlane .................... 30x5x30 15-5-45
Benchmark ............... 30x4.5x50
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30 50-4-50
Control...................... 45x5x55 30-4-70
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- fufu
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- Posts: 451
- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
- THS Average: 230
- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
EricHartwell wrote:
corrections in color above
I’ll do the math again to see where I went wrong
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- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
- THS Average: 230
- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
Now I’ve got it. I converted the 1:1.75 to decimal form then converted the ratio to X:1.
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- fufu
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- Posts: 451
- Joined: January 29th, 2010, 10:39 pm
- THS Average: 230
- Positive Axis Point: 5 right, 3/8 up
- Speed: 16
- Rev Rate: 320
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
I assume I should be using large VAL angles on symmetrical as well?
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- EricHartwell
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- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife
Yes and Dull surfaces.fufu wrote:I assume I should be using large VAL angles on symmetrical as well?
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand