Tournament arsenal for the wife

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Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 25th, 2018, 7:34 am

Specs:

Avg: 220-230
Tilt: 22*
Axis Rotation: 65*
Speed: 14.5 to 15(monitors), 2.82sec from release to pins, with a tendency to be firm
Rev Rate: 257
PAP: 4.75>, .75^

Favorite ball: Intense Fire: 30x4.75x60


Others:
Rotogrip Halo 15x4.75x30
Storm Hyroad Nano Xx5x40
Storm Phase II Xx4x60(2nd favorite ball)
Storm Code Red Xx4x30
Rotogrip Winner Xx4x30


By my calculations, I have a starting ratio of 1:1.75.
Sums: 85-90
Asymmetrical Pins: 4.5-5.5
Symmetrical Pins: 3-4”

Obviously, she struggles on heavier and/or longer oil. She is going to bowl a few more regionals this year, the National Queens and other demanding condition tournaments combined with some house shot tournaments.
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 25th, 2018, 4:22 pm

What weight is she rolling?
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 25th, 2018, 8:59 pm

14 good sir
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Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 26th, 2018, 12:46 am

fufu wrote:Specs:

Avg: 220-230
Tilt: 22*
Axis Rotation: 65*
Speed: 14.5 to 15(monitors), 2.82sec from release to pins, with a tendency to be firm
Rev Rate: 257
PAP: 4.75>, .75^

Favorite ball: Intense Fire: 30x4.75x60


Others:
Rotogrip Halo 15x4.75x30
Storm Hyroad Nano Xx5x40
Storm Phase II Xx4x60(2nd favorite ball)
Storm Code Red Xx4x30
Rotogrip Winner Xx4x30


By my calculations, I have a starting ratio of 1:1.75.
Sums: 85-90
Asymmetrical Pins: 4.5-5.5
Symmetrical Pins: 3-4”

Obviously, she struggles on heavier and/or longer oil. She is going to bowl a few more regionals this year, the National Queens and other demanding condition tournaments combined with some house shot tournaments.
I would benchmark at 80* Totals 1:1.75 Ratio

The totals on the Halo are just too low.
I would Plug and redrill or replace with a Totally Strong type layout 30-5-30.
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 26th, 2018, 2:20 am

Thank you for your help.

So my sums of 85-90 are reduced to 80 by virtue of her being speed dominant plus high tilt/rotation??
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 26th, 2018, 3:06 am

fufu wrote:Thank you for your help.

So my sums of 85-90 are reduced to 80 by virtue of her being speed dominant plus high tilt/rotation??
That is correct.
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 26th, 2018, 3:09 am

Totally Strong ........... 30x5x30
Midlane .................... 15x5x45
Benchmark ............... 45x4.5x35
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30
Control...................... 45x5x55

Eric, I've been really trying to dial in the ratio chart.

Please critique as necessary but here is what i calculated.

I see now that the Halo is outside of the normal parameters for her. She has only thrown in a handful of times, once being at a PWBA regional using the Mark Roth 42' pattern.
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 26th, 2018, 3:40 am

Looks like you got the ratio backwards on the Benchmark.
Working with the lower ratio for higher tilt bowlers gets confusing.
It is easy to get backwards.

80* total, 1:1.75 Ratio
80/2.75=29.09, 80-30=50
Benchmark 30-4.5-50
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 26th, 2018, 3:41 am

EricHartwell wrote:Looks like you got the ratio backwards on the Benchmark.
Working with the lower ratio for higher tilt bowlers gets confusing.
It is easy to get backwards.

80* total, 1:1.75 Ratio
80/2.75=29.09, 80-30=50
Benchmark 30-4.5-50
I redid the math...

Totally Strong ........... 20x5x40
Midlane .................... 30x5x30
Benchmark ............... 30x4.5x50
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30
Control...................... 45x5x55
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Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 26th, 2018, 3:51 am

fufu wrote:
I redid the math...

Totally Strong ........... 20x5x40 30-5-30
Midlane .................... 30x5x30 15-5-45
Benchmark ............... 30x4.5x50
Long and Strong ........ 70x4.5x30 50-4-50
Control...................... 45x5x55 30-4-70
corrections in color above
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 26th, 2018, 4:13 am

EricHartwell wrote:
corrections in color above

I’ll do the math again to see where I went wrong
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 26th, 2018, 4:41 am

Now I’ve got it. I converted the 1:1.75 to decimal form then converted the ratio to X:1.
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Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by fufu » December 27th, 2018, 2:54 am

I assume I should be using large VAL angles on symmetrical as well?
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Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
Location: Michigan

Re: Tournament arsenal for the wife

Post by EricHartwell » December 27th, 2018, 10:11 pm

fufu wrote:I assume I should be using large VAL angles on symmetrical as well?
Yes and Dull surfaces.
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